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    Previous owner already did the attach - wall - to - floor - thingies, so that looks OK.

    But yes, I'll put in a whole new floor.
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    Guys in the know, PLEASE see Post 14 above for additional Questions, if you have the time.

    Appreciated thanks!!8)
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    Guys, what do I use to replace the existing floor??

    Marine ply, or is that too heavy??

    Thanks8)
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    Hi. The side frames fit down on top of the floor. Will you be able to get the whole previous floor out. Maybe you will have to remove the inner panels fit floor and replace panels or new 3mm ply. You will also see if framework frot. I redid a 74 Sprite Musketeer and painted the inside white. Makes it really modern. Also fitted fewer cupboards and have lounge at rear. No cooking inside at all so can do away with that extra nonsense. . Carry spare in tow car. Van nice and light. I have plenty photos but don’t know how to post them. Enjoy you van.
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    Guys, what do I use to replace the existing floor??

    Marine ply, or is that too heavy??

    Thanks8)

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    Hi Petrie,

    This brings back some fond memories for me. I have done something very similar a while ago to a Gypsey 6L .....in fact there are still a few final cosmetics that I need to be finished.

    In short, I did almost exactly the same that you are doing on the interior. I removed the two side twin beds and converted that into an island bed with a bedside cupboard on either side. I build the frame with pine and 6mm plywood. What I also did was to keep the stretcher brackets and I drilled holes in the top of the island bed where the support posts can fit in. This way you have the luxury of an island bed, but you retain the functionality of the stretchers, if need be. So all in all, you still have a 6 berth caravan.

    I removed the kitchen cupboard completely and built a new one; also replaced the small ac/dc fridge with a bigger 220v ac fridge. I don't know if the 6 and 6L is the same, but my 6L had the DB box under one of the single beds. I moved this the bottom of my kitchen cupboard and added a double plug socket on either side of the island bed (for bed lamps and charging phones). I decided from the onset that we will not be venturing to sites where 220v is not available, so 12v functionality wasn't a need for me. You will see though, that your DB board powers an AC/DC adapter in any event. All the lights in the caravan is 12v and gets power from the 220v socket. If you add an inverter and wire it with a split switch (similar to the ones used in homes nowadays to power during loadshedding) you may be able to do a conversation that will allow using batteries to power the fridge - I think that may be expensive though....

    I also have the issue of holes in the floor after removing the plumbing and also the fridge .... if you find a solution, I'll be interested to know too.

    Wood rot is a specialist repair. I also had some wood rot in the side panels, but not in the floor. I stripped the interior first, then took the van to a repair centre to have the rot removed and replaced. I was lucky though, because my floor was still in good condition. My advice would be that you consider the same. Remember that the floor is the main structure of your caravan. All the upright panels attach to it. If the floor is removed and not replaced with the same structural integrity, you may have major issues later .... especially with the fact that it looks like you may want to venture on unpaved roads.

    In terms of the suspension .... I wouldn't tinker too much with that. The 6L has two coil springs, not leaf springs. I also considered adding shock absorbers, but the guy that did the wood rot for me suggested that I skip that idea. The reason being that you actually want the caravan to have slight lateral movement in order to "soften" movement for the internal structure.

    Keep the photos coming.

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    Petri do you want to remove the floor or just put a layer of plywood over the existing floor.
    Take photos maybe.
    A friend layed a 4mm marine ply over his existing floor.I think marine ply only comes in 4mm then 6mm 9mm 12mm.
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    Thanks Posts 64/5/6.

    I'll just make very sure if the sides needs to be "loosened" before fitting a new floor. If so, I'd rather just fit a new "layer" of marine ply over the existing floor.
    The existing floor is'nt vrot, its just where the fridge was where it "wobbles" a bit.......but easy to fix and sommer strengthen for the next fridge.

    As ek nie vra nie gaan ek nog in hierdie week 'n van is stukke he.......thanks a MILL for all this advise.
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    Looks as if the floor does'nt form part of the sides here - previous owner already attached the sides to an alu strip, and to the chassis.

    Looks like it.

    But then again - I'm the expert who checked, so PLEASE dont get excited

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    Some general notes:
    - water proof plywood is the material to use
    - chip board an silicon is no go for a van
    - Open windows and look under seals. You should see solid wood. If not then condensate did get in.
    - As a floor cover "plastic" floor on plywood and loose carpets like those "take dirt".
    - Put 220 V wall plug assembly to the van wall. Location is where you place your outside table.
    - You will need outside light for rally or similar. We never carry any tents if it is 2 of us.
    - Power cable and extension for it. Something to protect the connection.
    - If you change the fridge the size is a problem. Old vans used to have gas/12V/220V fridge. Family member changed one and had to change many items because of the size.
    - Always store under cover
    - Replace all gas pipes if even small issue with them.
    - Van body is far from rigid. Anything too rigid is a problem. When you level the van you will find this out. So be careful with anything you build.
    - you need weight on the car. Tray of beer in a wrong place is a big no no. I do not tow under 70kg on the hook.
    - Check bearings, brakes, grease the moving part in the tow end and adjust brakes.

    If you take these old road vans on sand then expect doors falling off, axles breaking... Rather tow them on good roads to a place, park and use the vehicle to to go around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    Some general notes:
    - water proof plywood is the material to use...……..like marine ply??
    - chip board an silicon is no go for a van
    - Open windows and look under seals. You should see solid wood. If not then condensate did get in.
    - As a floor cover "plastic" floor on plywood and loose carpets like those "take dirt"...…...jouko, meaning the marine ply floor and then on top of it those dirt trapper sort of loose mats??
    - Put 220 V wall plug assembly to the van wall. Location is where you place your outside table.
    - You will need outside light for rally or similar. We never carry any tents if it is 2 of us...…...- Power cable and extension for it. Something to protect the connection...…...yip, already got that, that's sorted
    - If you change the fridge the size is a problem. Old vans used to have gas/12V/220V fridge. Family member changed one and had to change many items because of the size...…...true. I'll either be using the Weekender fridge, or then a bigger 12volt double door unit like Dometic/Defy......just wanna check how much they chow a battery.
    - Always store under cover......yip, problem for me - it stands under shade net
    - Replace all gas pipes if even small issue with them...……...here, again, I don't even want a gas bottle if possible. I have a double burner Alva with those small built in cartridges - works VERY well
    - Van body is far from rigid. Anything too rigid is a problem. When you level the van you will find this out. So be careful with anything you build......noted and agreed thanks
    - you need weight on the car. Tray of beer in a wrong place is a big no no. I do not tow under 70kg on the hook.
    - Check bearings, brakes, grease the moving part in the tow end and adjust brakes.

    If you take these old road vans on sand then expect doors falling off, axles breaking... Rather tow them on good roads to a place, park and use the vehicle to to go around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    The existing floor is'nt vrot, its just where the fridge was where it "wobbles" a bit.......but easy to fix and sommer strengthen for the next fridge.
    Cut the wobbly bit out and replace with the same thickness marine ply and then give the whole van a sanding to level the floor and over with your 4mm marine ply.
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    Petri you could also sand the floor down and clean it up nicely and then lay down waterproof vinyl tiles.Vinyl has come a long way and it comes in some nice colours and its waterproof.Can also be glued down to your existing floor.Easy to clean as well.
    If you do marine ply you will still have to cover it with something else.
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    Thanks again Guys, really VERY valuable info.

    I think, after I'm sure that the existing floor can be removed, I'll put in a whole new one with 12mm marine ply

    If it'd be an issue with the sides attached to the floor (which I doubt), then yes, I can "patchie here and patchie there", and then cover the existing floor with 6 or 9mm marine ply. The old tiles' glue is a BITCH to take off, I dont want to try it. Can just glue/bolt the ply on top of the existing one.

    I quite like those soft rubber interlocking tiles, Mark Trollope has them in his Xplorer and they're VERY nice.

    My welding guy Jaco is busy with the 2 bed frames......very excited about that - I really MUST have 2 very very comfy beds, the rest can happen later.
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    Hi Petri,
    I would stick to 12V system, with the issues today in the 220V range and camping at places where no power is available.
    Would suggest using the Victron equipment with Bluetooth option, it is handy to have the info on hand (cell phone)
    See if you can place two batteries on the axle or just behind it, one each side if possible to spread the weight evenly.

    Camping next to dam do require water, so look at 100L or so water tank slung under the floor over or just behind the axle.
    Get a Sure-flow pump.

    Shocks helps on stability and remove some of the bumps.
    It helps to keep items intact inside the van.

    Sometimes it is better to strip the inside out and lay a new marine ply floor approx 10 mm thick, just note it adds weight.

    Alu frames work well and put a gas strut (or two) on the bed, it lifts up much easier.
    Make sure it is properly secured both ends.

    Seal all the seams on the van it prevents water ingress and do it every few years - cost me dearly in the early 90's on my 83 Gypsy 3.
    Check the window sills for leaks.

    Rest is up to you, let your mind wander a bit
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    OK...........Floor is in.

    I stripped all the old Novilon etc etc and installed 6mm ply over the existing (looks like 9mm) ply. First put on a ton of adhesive (sulke with goete), then secured with screws.

    Existing floor is not bad, no wetness or vrot underneath.

    Look quite nice, must say, and MUCH MUCH more solid, almost no flex.

    I'll now just tidy it up with some sort of "skirting" where the floor and sides meet. Ideally an alu strip of about 3mm, but I dunno

    1) How to secure it against that veneer and fasten it to the alu strip outside.......that veneer WILL break

    2) If it will really REALLY help with making the sides more rigid. And I'm taking advise in here - do NOT go too rigid.
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    Oh and most importantly - Im having HEAPS of fun here.

    I can think of other ways of having fun without having to worry about splinters - but this is a very close second
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    Floor in. Obviously need to finish off the edges with either wood or alu plate or whatever I can think out tonight

    6mm ply on the existing 9(ish) mm, secured with white glue (forgot the name) and screws.

    Not a pro job by a VERY long shot, but feels VERY secure, and I think will be nice when finished off.

    Under the beds I'm leaving it as is, but will get some lekker interlocking rubber tiles on the "walk space".

    Pic is of rear of van.
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    Front of van. I've listened to Mark Trollope and just kept that wardrobe where it is......worked around it.

    Again, it needs to be finished off with some "skirting", will see what to do there
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    I left the wheelarches as is for now - need to see if they're 200% secured under and outside.

    Will clad them with something. But they'll be inside the cupboards anyway, so thats OK.

    Again - need to finish off still with some wide skirting thingies
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