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    John Post 19.........thanks a MILL Man!!

    Shocks won't "soften" the ride, they damp out suspension oscillation.

    .........meaning "side by side" movement?? Sorry man my British is somewhat - well - not so British.

    Thanks again, you have very logical answers.

    Im clearly NO expert here, but I think if tyres can be deflated a bit, and maybe at a later stage shocks added, and wieght saved wherever possible, the sum total of all of that will give a "softer/smoother" ride for the fittings etc etc inside.

    edit..........John the axles are under the leaf packs.
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    How heavy is the nose.At the ball.

    if too light, the spare wheel is the sway culprit.

    Does it have angle iron strip all around strengthening the join between floor and the walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbief View Post
    How heavy is the nose.At the ball.

    if too light, the spare wheel is the sway culprit.

    Does it have angle iron strip all around strengthening the join between floor and the walls.
    Robbie - jy slaan die spyker op die kop dink ek.

    1) Havent weighed the nose, but I suspect its light.......yesterday when towing it, it had a sort of "bounciness" on the towball. I didnt feel it but saw it in the rearview mirror.
    2) I actually sort of tried it out, swaying the Prado gently, and yes, it does have a very definite "rear end sway" in it before settling down (quickly, must say).
    It also stands too high behind the Prado, I'll definitely be moving my gooseneck down.
    I would'nt be comfortable with this as it is now, swerving for something at speed. Not major, but yes, I didnt feel confident.
    Thanks a LOT for drawing my attention to this!!!
    3) Dunno about that angle strip - it has an alu strip underneath, but not sure how it was done, will look, thanks a mill for that.
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    Petri why not build the beds like a drawer system.Using 25mm alu square tubing.Attach that to the walls somehow for extra strength and build drawers on slides under the bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC Man View Post
    Petri why not build the beds like a drawer system.Using 25mm alu square tubing.Attach that to the walls somehow for extra strength and build drawers on slides under the bed.
    Thats what Im thinking.

    Center drawer under the bed, and 2 "flip up" lids either side.

    And yes, attach the "sides" to the wall. One kan mos camouflage them under that alu plate?? If not, a row of bolts outside may not look THAT bad anyway. Its there for a purpose.

    I'll just have the mattresses made up in 3 sections, anders gaan dit my irriteer.

    En ek kan dalk myself seermaak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    John Post 19.........thanks a MILL Man!!

    Shocks won't "soften" the ride, they damp out suspension oscillation.

    .........meaning "side by side" movement?? Sorry man my British is somewhat - well - not so British.
    Probably not the most sensible word, in hindsight..Up and down movements of the axle as it travels the road.
    In a vehicle, shock absorbers reduce the effect of traveling over rough ground, leading to improved ride quality and vehicle handling. While shock absorbers serve the purpose of limiting excessive suspension movement, their intended sole purpose is to damp spring oscillations. Shock absorbers use valving of oil and gasses to absorb excess energy from the springs. Spring rates are chosen by the manufacturer based on the weight of the vehicle, loaded and unloaded. Some people use shocks to modify spring rates but this is not the correct use. Along with hysteresis in the tire itself, they damp the energy stored in the motion of the unsprung weight up and down. Effective wheel bounce damping may require tuning shocks to an optimal resistance.

    Spring-based shock absorbers commonly use coil springs or leaf springs, though torsion bars are used in torsional shocks as well. Ideal springs alone, however, are not shock absorbers, as springs only store and do not dissipate or absorb energy. Vehicles typically employ both hydraulic shock absorbers and springs or torsion bars. In this combination, "shock absorber" refers specifically to the hydraulic piston that absorbs and dissipates vibration. Now, composite suspension system are used mainly in 2 wheelers and also leaf spring are made up of composite material in 4 wheelers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber
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    Anything bolted to the walls for strength must have something inside and outside

    to stop the bolts compressing [squeezing] the walls.
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    Sadly the "walls " are hollow without any strength.
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    Petri sorry ek sal moet vra, wat sÍ jou Blond van die gedoente?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepiscool View Post
    Petri sorry ek sal moet vra, wat sÍ jou Blond van die gedoente?
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    I must admit, when I read the title of this thread I wasn't expecting an old caravan...
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    It also stands too high behind the Prado, I'll definitely be moving my gooseneck down.


    Petri I have never towed a caravan as I have no use for them, but maybe you should do the planned spacers to the axle before deciding to lower the gooseneck on the Prado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicd View Post
    Petri I have never towed a caravan as I have no use for them, but maybe you should do the planned spacers to the axle before deciding to lower the gooseneck on the Prado?[/COLOR]
    Wicus ja, ook nogal so gedink. Anders is die g/neck nou weer te lag vir die bote en bike trailer.

    I definitely think Robbie is on the money with that rear spare contributing to the (slight) sway.

    But will fine tune that - when packed and a little more weight on the nose etc etc I think all should be well.

    Or. then, if all else fails, move the spare and carrier somewhere else.
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    Dude ! I just read the title, and now Iím a bit disappointed that itís only about a caravan. Cool lookin caravan tho

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    Petri,
    As jy enigsins grondpad en ook sinkplaatpaaie gaan gebruik, vervang alle houtskroefies in deure ens met boutjies en moertjies. Daai deure skud los in die eerste kilometer op n sinkplaatpad.

    En maak seker jou yskas se deur gaan nie oop op grondpaaie nie, met ekstra knip

    En ek dink nie jy moet beddens ens aan beide vloer en kante vasmaak nie. Die woonwa fleks en gaan nie hou van koppelings wat vloer en muur verbind nie
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    henk ja dankie vir die raad - ek het nogal vanoggend aan dieselfde ding gele en dink - ek wil nie te veel neuk met die mure nie. As daai mure gaan flex teen die staalraam gaan iets ingee.

    Eventually wil ek maar al die deure met canvas vervang - maar thanks vir die bolt and nut tip.

    Ek dink ek moet ALLES onder heuphoogte in die van strip en klaarkry, die 2 beddens se rame laat maak, en van daar af kyk na die yskas opsies en so meer.

    Please keep it coming Guys, you are being FAR more helpful here than you can imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    henk ja dankie vir die raad - ek het nogal vanoggend aan dieselfde ding gele en dink - ek wil nie te veel neuk met die mure nie. As daai mure gaan flex teen die staalraam gaan iets ingee.

    Eventually wil ek maar al die deure met canvas vervang - maar thanks vir die bolt and nut tip.

    Ek dink ek moet ALLES onder heuphoogte in die van strip en klaarkry, die 2 beddens se rame laat maak, en van daar af kyk na die yskas opsies en so meer.

    Please keep it coming Guys, you are being FAR more helpful here than you can imagine.
    Kyk eers hoe is die huidige hout rame vas gesit. As deel van die struktuur aan die nure vas is sal jy dit weer so moet doen anders gaan die mure te veel flex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    I definitely think Robbie is on the money with that rear spare contributing to the (slight) sway.
    Bear in mind, this could be from the weight of the tyre contributing to the swing from an inertia point of view rather than making the hitch too light.
    IOW, the weight of the spare is adding to the momentum of the swing.
    Go for a drive on a quiet road and do a test "swing" of the wheel to induce a sway, then remove the spare and do the swing again, now, put the spare on the A frame and try again, should give you an idea of the effect it has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuanB View Post
    Kyk eers hoe is die huidige hout rame vas gesit. As deel van die struktuur aan die nure vas is sal jy dit weer so moet doen anders gaan die mure te veel flex.
    Hoor wat jy se BAIE dankie!!!

    ......gou gaan kyk, daar is nie 'n bestaande "raam" nie en die houtstruktuur raak nie heeltemal aan die mure nie, so lyk my ek is OK daar.
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    Hier is die verduideliking vir jou swing probleem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jk9H5AB4lM

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