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    I currently have a Jurgens Xcape and my wife and myself have travelled solo to many of our surrounding countries. Of late, we have become very aware of our safety and have started to question the very thin and frail piece of canvas between ourselves when we are asleep. This is perhaps more an issue when we are in an isolated community camp or even when we are the only ones occupying a conventional park.

    I have looked around at various offroad caravans and seem to see more and canvas fold out beds, ie the BL range, the lovely Bushwakka models and more so with the very stylish Invader range. Sadly, even Afrispoor with its popular Cheetah too falls into this category.

    So, I'm perhaps neurotic but still I think that if we are to pursue our solo travels, I perhaps need to invest in something where if we are uncertain as to the surrounds, we can safely sleep "inside".

    This brings the Kavango, Commander, Jurgens Explorer or the very expensive new UEV range with solid pull out bed walls.

    Has any one else started to question their safety within the very easily slit, taut canvas bed or is it just me and my neurosis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton T View Post
    I currently have a Jurgens Xcape and my wife and myself have travelled solo to many of our surrounding countries. Of late, we have become very aware of our safety and have started to question the very thin and frail piece of canvas between ourselves when we are asleep. This is perhaps more an issue when we are in an isolated community camp or even when we are the only ones occupying a conventional park.

    I have looked around at various offroad caravans and seem to see more and canvas fold out beds, ie the BL range, the lovely Bushwakka models and more so with the very stylish Invader range. Sadly, even Afrispoor with its popular Cheetah too falls into this category.

    So, I'm perhaps neurotic but still I think that if we are to pursue our solo travels, I perhaps need to invest in something where if we are uncertain as to the surrounds, we can safely sleep "inside".

    This brings the Kavango, Commander, Jurgens Explorer or the very expensive new UEV range with solid pull out bed walls.

    Has any one else started to question their safety within the very easily slit, taut canvas bed or is it just me and my neurosis?
    I have to admit - it is even something I think about in my RTT

    In my opinion - the only way around this - is a 4x4 motorhome. At least you wont be separated from your steering wheel when push comes to shove.

    I have said many times before - none of the methods we use (from a hammock to a motorhome) are perfect for all situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton T View Post
    Has any one else started to question their safety within the very easily slit, taut canvas bed or is it just me and my neurosis?
    I'm also worried, more afraid of humans than wild animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EHoffmann View Post
    I have to admit - it is even something I think about in my RTT

    In my opinion - the only way around this - is a 4x4 motorhome. At least you wont be separated from your steering wheel when push comes to shove.

    I have said many times before - none of the methods we use (from a hammock to a motorhome) are perfect for all situations.
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    I think the focus of safety is more important around people or in isolated spots but close to walking distances to settlements.
    This in particular to human interference which is the more tricky part to protect against.

    My solution is to camp in places where I am hidden and out of the walking paths and not close to villages unless:
    - I make an arrangement with the village chief who allows me to camp or
    - Designated camping spot by an operator.

    In the wild, keep all your food stuff away and locked up and nothing in the tent.

    There is no protection against a guy with a knife, only defense.
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    I don't think your paranoid just wise had to make the same decision with my Xcape bought Gecko.
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    No, you are not alone with that consideration. Friends of ours have bought a Conqueror Commander for that very reason. You don't have to flip open the front bed nor lift up the roof. That way canvas isn't exposed and you are inside a metal tin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    No, you are not alone with that consideration. Friends of ours have bought a Conqueror Commander for that very reason. You don't have to flip open the front bed nor lift up the roof. That way canvas isn't exposed and you are inside a metal tin.
    What an expense ..Just go to remote places in a Skipper ..You will be fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    No, you are not alone with that consideration. Friends of ours have bought a Conqueror Commander for that very reason. You don't have to flip open the front bed nor lift up the roof. That way canvas isn't exposed and you are inside a metal tin.
    This was a major deciding factor when we bought ours. Plus itís extremely convenient for one night stop overs. We travel with the bed made up, stop, and you are ready to go. As safe as you possibly can be while camping.

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    I think we perceive the canvas to be more vulnerable, but if someone wants to come in, neither a piece of canvas, window, thin steel or wooden door will keep them out.
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    When it comes to predators? Thick canvas and RTT creates a false sense of security. But then - what are the odds? That is for you to decide.



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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    I think we perceive the canvas to be more vulnerable, but if someone wants to come in, neither a piece of canvas, window, thin steel or wooden door will keep them out.
    True. And even if you are in a tin box how do you escape? Sitting behind my desk I can think of many ways of getting someone out of a 'tin box' without working too hard but I won't elaborate because I don't know who's reading this post. (There's some guys with strange names on this forum :-) Anyway, if you get to a place and feel unsafe...move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    No, you are not alone with that consideration. Friends of ours have bought a Conqueror Commander for that very reason. You don't have to flip open the front bed nor lift up the roof. That way canvas isn't exposed and you are inside a metal tin.

    Think about that for a while... should a fire break out and you cant open the door...
    I think everything will become a paranoia if you sit and think about it..

    But safety is important...

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    Ito animals, they don't know it's canvas or any other material. They are purely inquisitive about this strange (meat smelling ) obstacle that resembles a rock.
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    The moment there is canvas over or under you, you are not safe. Take the Jurgens Explorer as example, mamma and papa sleeps on the double bed, very safe and the little ones must sleep in the front under canvas that is so easy to open because it is fastened with a rubber band underneath the foldout sleeping bench. That is why I changed to a conventional caravan that has solid walls and a locked door.
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    paranoid

    - Unreasonably or obsessively anxious, suspicious, or mistrustful.

    - feeling extremely nervous and worried because you believe that other people do not like you or are trying to harm you

    - An unrealistic distrust of others or a feeling of being persecuted

    I don't think one needs to be paranoid. (Although this country tends to have that effect)

    You are probably 10 x more likely to get killed on the road to your destination, than at your destination.

    Being informed about your surroundings, situational awareness, being prepared and some common sense go a long way in helping to minimize risk at a campsite.

    People are attacked inside security estates with barbed and electric fences, CCTV cameras, guards and armed response, access control, etc.
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    If you are worried about safety (of the 2 legged kind), you are camping in the wrong places . All the places we booked for the year are exclusive places where you book the whole place. All are off grid and not within walking distance...but as George said, nothing can really stop them if they want to get in. A simple crowbar to a caravan door will give you easier and quicker access than cutting the canvas on a off-road caravan or RTT to try and gain access...

    I suspect that most thieves are cowards so they are not going to risk getting into your van with you in it, not knowing what is waiting inside. A tik kop will do that but who camps where they are around? They will go for things outside or in your vehicle where they are sure of a quick getaway.

    I'm talking about the average thief. Not armed gangs. That is something else...again, probably camping in the wrong place it that is a possibility..
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    I agree with Michael. Unless you camp in a military Ratel, no other van will keep you 'safe'. So to say you purchase a certain brand because you feel safer is definitely driven by paranoia in my opinion. Choose your campsites carefully. Carry some form of protection be it a taser,pepper spray or something more extreme. I feel safer camping than sleeping in my house where I have to arm an alarm every night, have extra security precautions etc.
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    Im in the process of ordering the new Ratel 4 and after reading this thread, well, back to square one again.
    I understand that if they want to get in, they will, doesn't matter if it is canvas or metal.
    Think it all boils down to type of camping I guess.
    Yes for a one night stopover or two nights at a camp not leaving your caravan, it is a bit more secured. The problem I have is that moving from a road caravan to a bush caravan, yes most trips will be for one or two nights, but we also go camping twice a year for two weeks at the coast. That is where the problem comes in I guess. Leaving your caravan for the whole day while going to the beach with wife and kids, I think the risk with a solid sleeping area is less than that with canvas.
    I might be wrong I know, "if they want to get in they will".
    They watch you setup camp, just rubbers pulling over the bed area, and they think... " that looks easy. Lift the elastic rubber and the whole sleeping area becomes a entrance to your caravan "
    As I mentioned, im totally new to the whole offroad caravan scenario but that is just my thoughts.
    Will go have a look at the new UEV -17 the weekend with the hard pull out beds and will give some thoughts on them as well. Else it is the Ratel for sure with its canvas beds
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    We need to take care:- I am finding far fewer people camping since the fuel price increases.

    On two recent trips in the Northern Cape I was the only camper and felt like a sitting duck. I have never seen sites where we used to stop-over on the way north so deserted. Much less traffic on the roads.

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