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    Default Re: Best 10-seater 4x4 for bad gravel and tar roads

    https://www.autotrader.co.za/commerc...esult-index=11 More space that just for ten!! But against a price.
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    I punted the 4x4 HiAce, for the spares. Plenty in Lesotho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    it will be cheaper all around to just have 2 x light vehicles (under 3.5T GVM) but I really don't think a light vehicle is appropriate for Dave's needs and I think he is chasing the Holy Grail

    He has 2 choices:
    - truck and less breakdowns but higher fuel
    - light pickups and it uses less fuel but you end up spending more on repairs

    The military don't build SAMIL20s and UNIMOGs for nothing. The idea is minimal maintenance by a bush mechanic and you can then plan for the fuel costs.

    I still say a new generation Isuzu NPR or Tata LPTA type 4x4 truck as per Jens78's post and with a proper enclosed passenger cabin is best for large groups. Tour operators use these for a reason. And the fuel consumption on the new common rails are MUCH better than old school military trucks.

    For the most part I agree, but from experience, these trucks don't do well in really bad terrain. espicailly wet and muddy, or if there are big washaways/cross axles etc. the tour opeators use them yes, but they are mostly used on reasonable roads, and the 4x4 helps in some thicker sandy sections or if rain makes the traction questionable. SO if the roads are really bad, then only samil or Unimog types will work, or 2 LDVs.

    I still stick to my point, the issues are probably mostly due to driver abuse. training would be my first step

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Ranger View Post
    Ford F250?
    ha ha good joke

    If these guys break a KB and an LC70, the Ford won't make the first trip.

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    Default Re: Best 10-seater 4x4 for bad gravel and tar roads

    Does Iveco not have a 4x4 daily bus available in South Africa? Seen lots of them in other countries.
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    Hyundai H100 was also in 4x4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPiet View Post
    For the most part I agree, but from experience, these trucks don't do well in really bad terrain. espicailly wet and muddy, or if there are big washaways/cross axles etc. the tour opeators use them yes, but they are mostly used on reasonable roads, and the 4x4 helps in some thicker sandy sections or if rain makes the traction questionable. SO if the roads are really bad, then only samil or Unimog types will work, or 2 LDVs.

    I still stick to my point, the issues are probably mostly due to driver abuse. training would be my first step
    Maybe you should check the specs on the SAMIL/MOG and also check Dave's requirements. He's doing 200kms per DAY : a SAMIL/MOG does 80km/h on average, it means the SAMIL will need to travel for at least 6 hours for the round trip compared to the Tata/Isuzu's 4 hours.

    Also, 100kms is tar, 90kms is just bad dirt road. I bet you that a decent Citi Golf would probably drive that road anyway, just very slowly.

    I do however agree that the driver has no mechanical sympathy and very little training if he can break an LC70 4.2D.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfreesani View Post
    Does Iveco not have a 4x4 daily bus available in South Africa? Seen lots of them in other countries.
    No.

    And the price would be north of R1.5m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epinephrine View Post
    https://www.autotrader.co.za/commerc...esult-index=11 More space that just for ten!! But against a price.
    24 years old, R895k, 2 km/l. The business will need to make a massive profit every day just to run that thing.
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    Default Re: Best 10-seater 4x4 for bad gravel and tar roads

    here we go

    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-heavy-tr...40910197246209



    sell the tipper bin, use the money for a passenger compartment

    or else:

    https://www.junkmail.co.za/trucks/ga...16933e6b38e4d2



    Probably has a transmission issue. Spares aren't an issue. Fix the drivetrain and you are sorted.

    Or buy both for R225k and you have a troop carrier and spares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    24 years old, R895k, 2 km/l. The business will need to make a massive profit every day just to run that thing.
    At 2 km per litre you might as well buy a helicopter and fly your guests in!
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    Having had a similar experience where i opened a small hotel in Haga haga, we had 22km of rough gravel road to get to the farm where the venue was.

    we had:

    Second hand 4motion v6 caravelle bus for staff, bought second hand- did okay as the staff transport up and down every day- eventually the engine broke. After 6 months.

    A land rover defender game viewer, was used to ferry staff up and down too before we got the VW, after two years it hand most suspension parts replaced as well as the steering rack.

    The most robust fit for purpose was a Hummer H2. However this car was only allowed to be driven by myself and the owner so it was not abused too much. Only failure was tyres BFG's

    Training is very important, when I got there the land rover was driving those bad roads over inflated tyres. It took a lot off effort convincing the staff to reduce the pressure.

    for longevity I would agree with something custom fit for purpose like an Iveco 4x4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Ranger View Post
    At 2 km per litre you might as well buy a helicopter and fly your guests in!
    Yes but if the pilots are going to be the current drivers, I'd rather take a donkey...
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    You'll have to have a vehicle that is licenced to carry X amount of passengers.

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    The old Toyota Venture 4x4s were tough as nuts, but hard to find these days. Possibly one of those with a new engine and beefed up suspension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Weaver View Post
    The old Toyota Venture 4x4s were tough as nuts, but hard to find these days. Possibly one of those with a new engine and beefed up suspension?
    I know we had Condor 4x4's but Ventures? Either way, much too old now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Weaver View Post
    The old Toyota Venture 4x4s were tough as nuts, but hard to find these days. Possibly one of those with a new engine and beefed up suspension?
    Actually the Condor Tony.

    I also had one - the 2,4 Petrol. You also got them in the 3,0 Diesel, I think the 5L engine. Permanent 4x4, as far as I can remember. VERY nice cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    I know we had Condor 4x4's but Ventures? Either way, much too old now.
    Condor, correct, but I remember them badged as Ventures as well - we still see a lot of them on the road in Cape Town.
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    What about a VW Kombi Syncro?? Rebuild it to new and off you go. 2,1 or 2,5 engine.

    We also had a 2003(ish) 2,5 Diesel Syncro, LWB, the T3 shape. VERY nice car, heaps of space.
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