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    Default Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    I am not an experienced Land Rover person but it sure seems like LR is moving away from seriously capable offroad vehicles to accommodate more for the luxury SUV market which doesn't plan on doing serious overlanding in...

    The new Disco for instance to me looks like an awesome car, but what happened to the boxy off road looking vehicle that had some really good capability off road? I just can't see myself bumping into one of the new ones in the middle the Botswanan bush bogged mirrors deep in mud while the owner was attempting crossing a muddy boghole.

    What are the die hard offroad LR enthusiasts thoughts on where the brand is going?
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    They said the same thing about the Discovery 2, 3, 4... the 5 is no different.

    Those that buy them to go offroad, will go offroad in them.

    Those that buy them for mall crawlers will crawl malls in them.

    The tech behind the vehicle still makes it one of the most capable offroad in both of the above situations.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglash View Post
    They said the same thing about the Discovery 2, 3, 4... the 5 is no different.

    Those that buy them to go offroad, will go offroad in them.

    Those that buy them for mall crawlers will crawl malls in them.

    The tech behind the vehicle still makes it one of the most capable offroad in both of the above situations.
    Point taken, but for me it just seems like they are no longer going for the off road thing. Nothing less 19inch rims with top of the range being 20inch with almost zero sidewall just doesnt seem practical to anyone planning on going off road and for the 2, 3, and 4 were not that committed to getting soccer swambos from A-B, they were still a bit more rugged.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    How often do you require seriously capable compared to seriously comfortable on an annual basis unless your name happens to be whatever the name of the mosquito net family touring Africa in a LR product is??

    Define seriously capable as a comparison to the newer kit technology and what it offers, capability wise....

    As a market segment, how many owners of the seemingly "seriously capable" old school 4x4's even use them for more than the odd trip to the bush, hardly even proper 4x4ing..

    But then define proper 4x4ing...

    No disrespect, but this question has been raised so many times and it always opens the same old same old.

    Like it or not, those "serious capables" break, a lot, irrespective of brand or capability, truth be said I think they are really not that great, irrespective of brand, maybe technically simple, but just not all its hyped up to be..

    LR is moving / has moved where the market sells, its a business after all.., good God, even the Hilux finally got ABS & Power steering...
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    If I am ever in the market again I will give more consideration towards the new Jimny than the new Defender.

    I guess that says a lot ...
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by albertvl View Post
    If I am ever in the market again I will give more consideration towards the new Jimny than the new Defender.

    I guess that says a lot ...
    I thought the defender had been discontinued?
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
    I thought the defender had been discontinued?
    It has but there is a new one in the pipeline. Looks like a Disco Sport.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
    Point taken, but for me it just seems like they are no longer going for the off road thing. Nothing less 19inch rims with top of the range being 20inch with almost zero sidewall just doesnt seem practical to anyone planning on going off road and for the 2, 3, and 4 were not that committed to getting soccer swambos from A-B, they were still a bit more rugged.
    255/55/20 is the same sidewall height as 255/55/19. Kingsley Holgate is running 275/70/18's (IIRC) which is a 33" tyre. that argument doesn't hold much water anymore.

    Btw - most of the stuff in this thread already discussed here (https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum...te-and-Disco-5)

    It's way too early to judge a Discovery 5 by it's looks, even though there are things i don't like about it but things i really do.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by albertvl View Post
    It has but there is a new one in the pipeline. Looks like a Disco Sport.
    You can tell that from a mockup made from plastic and fibreglass where they are testing the drive train and engine and and and but doing everything they can to generate speculation about the shape... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcochezzi View Post
    How often do you require seriously capable compared to seriously comfortable on an annual basis unless your name happens to be whatever the name of the mosquito net family touring Africa in a LR product is??

    Define seriously capable as a comparison to the newer kit technology and what it offers. ..

    As a market segment, how many owners of the "seriously capable" old school 4 wheelers even use them for more than the odd trip to the bush, hardly even proper 4x4ing..

    Define proper 4x4ing...

    No disrespect, but this question has been raised so many times and it always opens the same old same old.

    Like it or not, those "serious capables" break, a lot, irrespective of brand, they are really not that great, irrespective of brand, maybe technically simple, but just not all its hyped up to be..



    LR is moving / has moved where the market sells, its a business after all.., good God, even the Hilux finally got ABS & Power steering...
    I completely respect that land rover are going off in their own direction, in terms of off road capability, I'd call it rather innovative. Its just, it goes against all the old conventional ways of achieving 4x4 capability maybe it is the future of 4x4 I don't know...

    When I speak of serious capability I just mean being able to go on a proper overlanding trip through Nam, Botswana, Mozambique and for i just cant see many of them doing that (maybe I'm wrong). Whether you use it once a year for those types trips or whatever it still should be able to do it is what im saying.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
    I completely respect that land rover are going off in their own direction, in terms of off road capability, I'd call it rather innovative. Its just, it goes against all the old conventional ways of achieving 4x4 capability maybe it is the future of 4x4 I don't know...

    When I speak of serious capability I just mean being able to go on a proper overlanding trip through Nam, Botswana, Mozambique and for i just cant see many of them doing that (maybe I'm wrong). Whether you use it once a year for those types trips or whatever it still should be able to do it is what im saying.
    what do you mean by conventional 4x4'ing? SFA? a stick to engage low range vs a button?

    Would you prefer a Nokia 3310 or a Huawei Mate 10 Pro for conventional calls, sms', data?
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglash View Post
    You can tell that from a mockup made from plastic and fibreglass where they are testing the drive train and engine and and and but doing everything they can to generate speculation about the shape... ?
    Just going with the posts about the new Defender that people have shared on the forum. I still hope that the info is wrong ... with all my heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertvl View Post
    Just going with the posts about the new Defender that people have shared on the forum. I still hope that the info is wrong ... with all my heart.
    Yeah, my comment was very TIC. Nothing towards you Albert.

    I don't think i've ever seen a car in the camo disguise come out and look the same when released.... so let's just all wait and see. Then we can decide.
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Disco 2 was the last proper offroader LR made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppies3800 View Post
    Disco 2 was the last proper offroader LR made
    Nope, I have recently done serious off-road trips in D2 and D4, the D4 was much better.

    And the new Defender will probably be based on the D4 chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppies3800 View Post
    Disco 2 was the last proper offroader LR made
    And apparently the worse....

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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglash View Post
    what do you mean by conventional 4x4'ing? SFA? a stick to engage low range vs a button?

    Would you prefer a Nokia 3310 or a Huawei Mate 10 Pro for conventional calls, sms', data?
    A good example would be a Landcruiser 70 series on the other end of the spectrum.

    Well some people take the older option in this instance the Nokia due to the known aspect of what you are getting its been proven and some take the innovative option seeking newer technology. Both have their arguments.

    I feel like you are getting defensive, which means you are missing my point i am not posting this thread to provoke any proud land rover owner i for one think they are bleddy awesome cars and way ahead of the pack!
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    I posted a thread or a post somewhere here where I described the difference between my old D4 V8 and our new D5.

    Wheel size same (actually larger wheels and tyres with same side wall on D5 VS D4).
    Interior packing space (boot) same as D4.
    Interior passanger space larger VS D4.
    Air suspension drops at 85km/h from off road height back to road height VS 50km/h in the D4, thus negating the need for suspension rods or expensive suspension computers.
    MUCH easier second battery installation VS D4.


    If you really want to, you can add front winch (people thought this to be impossible untill recently).
    You can put Compomotive 18” rims on.
    There are roofracks available.
    etc....


    No reason not to use it in Bots, Nam, Moz, etc...

    A respray of the clear-cote in case of severe bush rash, will be as expensive on a D5 as on a Defender or LC79.

    Went in to bush with it a few times already but our first longer trip across border will be in June to Nam. Will give feedback there after again.


    And finally, yes, Land Rover decided to market themself as a “Premium” or “Luxury” brand. They are not interisted in the “worker” class market anylonger just as Lamborghini doesn’t care about the tractor market any longer.

    There is no market for them in the agricultural or defense market as before. That market is hugely specialised these days and long gone are the days of a modified Land Rover doing all the jobs on the farm or during war.

    I really like the D5 as a familly vehicle and think it is a leap forward compared to the D4.

    Having said that.........when I go in to the bush ALONE without the family, which vehicle will I choose? ALWAYS my 2.8i Defender 90!

    But I will not submit my family to that special type of torture
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglash View Post
    Yeah, my comment was very TIC. Nothing towards you Albert.

    I don't think i've ever seen a car in the camo disguise come out and look the same when released.... so let's just all wait and see. Then we can decide.
    But the suspense is killin' us
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    Default Re: Has the LR Discovery died as an offroad vehicle? Or LR the brand in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by A1ex View Post
    I am not an experienced Land Rover person but it sure seems like LR is moving away froam seriously capable offroad vehicles to accommodate more for the luxury SUV market which doesn't plan on doing serious overlanding in...

    The new Disco for instance to me looks like an awesome car, but what happened to the boxy off road looking vehicle that had some really good capability off road? I just can't see myself bumping into one of the new ones in the middle the Botswanan bush bogged mirrors deep in mud while the owner was attempting crossing a muddy boghole.

    What are the die hard offroad LR enthusiasts thoughts on where the brand is going?
    With some decent tyres it's probably very capable.

    As we all know the issue is not with the capability, but with the likelihood that it is going to leave you by the side of the road/track.

    I am just going to leave this here

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