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    I have navigator 6 on my gs. Its more effective to read fuel consumption and tyre pressure than to try map.

    Live link is very dated as you only know about heavy traffic 6 hours later.

    My advice to everyone is to use waze for city navigation and download maps.me for any other mapping.

    I cannot see why I were that stupid to purchase another garmin product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I cannot see why I were that stupid to purchase another garmin product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I have navigator 6 on my gs. Its more effective to read fuel consumption and tyre pressure than to try map.

    Live link is very dated as you only know about heavy traffic 6 hours later.

    My advice to everyone is to use waze for city navigation and download maps.me for any other mapping.

    I cannot see why I were that stupid to purchase another garmin product.

    I stopped using my Garmin navigator devices about 3 years ago. Only one I use now is the one strapped to my wrist.

    I found only use Google Maps and to a lesser extent Waze and T4A on my phone.

    (as an aside Waze and Google Maps use identical data sets, Waze just has the added social aspect)
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    Our trusted Garmin Nuvi500, with Garmaps and T4A installed, is missing (big mystery). We don't even consider replacing it.

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    Bought my last Garmin in 2008, in 2009 I got my first iphone, and around the time the highways in and around Sandton started to change, the Garmin maps were not great, and I'd used my free update. TomTom app was a few hundred rand, which seemed ridiculous to spend on an app, but was maybe 1/5th the cost of the Garmin update.

    I used that until about two years ago when they discontinued the TomTom app and made it pay per km or something stupid. I've been using Waze since, just find it looks and behaves a little more like I want a GPS to than using Google maps.

    I've used Waze in Moz, not anywhere remote, but back roads and tracks around Motola, as well as in Kasane, and it was spot on everywhere. I don't know how it will fare in more remote places, but I've yet to come across a road that Waze was not aware of.

    I'm sure Garmin devices have uses, don't know if they still do bread crumbs and the like, but for me, I've moved on from trying to plan routes on the desktop and trying to upload to a device that sits stuck to the windscreen tempting sticky fingers...
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    Isn't Garmin still useful for overlanding using T4A? I never use my Garmin in the city. Only use it for overlanding and found it quite useful. Also it does not consume data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellie2 View Post
    Isn't Garmin still useful for overlanding using T4A? I never use my Garmin in the city. Only use it for overlanding and found it quite useful. Also it does not consume data.
    You can use T4A on an android or iOS phone. Also doesn't consume data.

    The fact is, outside of specialist navigation requirements (not consumer), built in navigation units, or where battery life is a serious consideration, dedicated GPS units are pretty much dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I have navigator 6 on my gs. Its more effective to read fuel consumption and tyre pressure than to try map.

    Live link is very dated as you only know about heavy traffic 6 hours later.

    My advice to everyone is to use waze for city navigation and download maps.me for any other mapping.

    I cannot see why I were that stupid to purchase another garmin product.
    Have you tested this with one of the new Garmin's with updated traffic LMT-S devices?
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    Also try www.sygic.com

    It works offline on both Android or iOS. You can download maps per country for free, and lifetime updates are also free. Premium options such as live traffic are available. Together with Google Maps I also don't know why we would want an expensive dedicated GPS.
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    Well let me say this I am considering buying a new Garmin

    Garmin Drive Assist 51LMT-S with Built In Dash cam

    The traffic updates runs through and it also includes full dash cam functionality.

    According to the info it updates traffic properly and it is a Garmin GPS device so it is designed to sit in a windscreen
    So its standard operational temperature is up to 60c
    Where your phone's operational temp is 40c

    And now the main thing I have a lovely cellphone that cost about R14,000 when it came out
    And as stated was not made to sit in a windscreen

    The Garmin with camera and so forth costs just over R4000 and does not mind sitting in a windscreen

    So I do not think it is becoming extinct
    But obviously sales amount has dropped
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    My wife bought me a Garmin Nuvi 500 in 2008. I'm still using it and on our trip to Namibia recently it worked perfectly. Roads don't change that often and the crumbs feature is great when in strange areas with a lot of turn offs. In 2010 some roads changed and the Koeberg interchange gets plenty of "recalculating" announcements. But it's perfect for 99.9% pf the time as roads don't change that often.

    I tried to update the maps in 2012 but Cape Union Mart told me I had to pay for every years update from 2008. I refused and I'm not sorry about it. Maybe this extortion is what helped the decline?

    When I got the Nuvi in 2008 it was new stuff and the Garmin Guru Kevin Bolton was all over the place. He never answered my emailed question. I no longer need him either and resolved never to ask him a question again nor pay for his services when he ignored me in 2008.

    Can anyone explain how to use Waze or Google Maps outside cell phone range? Anywhere 5 to 10 km from my town is outside cell range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneficus View Post
    Have you tested this with one of the new Garmin's with updated traffic LMT-S devices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    Can anyone explain how to use Waze or Google Maps outside cell phone range? Anywhere 5 to 10 km from my town is outside cell range.
    http://erinlyyc.com/2017/05/17/how-t...en-travelling/ etc

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    I have had a number of GPS units over the years...

    My IPhone 8 plus has replaced them entirely! I have a nice magnetised holder that keeps the phone on my dash and does everything. I don't even bother with my GPS units anymore.
    I'm sure ill use one again sometime, but definitely not for everyday use...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterOos View Post
    Works for Google Maps, not for Waze as far as I can see. Yes, fact is that GPSrs are becoming less popular due to the many apps.

    I still prefer my dedicated GPSr on the screen, mainly because of the reasons Veneficus mentioned. I use both Waze and Google Maps when I need to.

    But in remote places, I will always have a proper dedicated GPSr on the screen, not my phone, which falls into the category of "Jack of all trades, master of none". The phone is there for backup and it's other functions. I also have a double DIN Android device on the dash which can display any of the Android GPSr apps, which is handy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Veneficus View Post
    Well let me say this I am considering buying a new Garmin

    Garmin Drive Assist 51LMT-S with Built In Dash cam

    The traffic updates runs through and it also includes full dash cam functionality.

    According to the info it updates traffic properly and it is a Garmin GPS device so it is designed to sit in a windscreen
    So its standard operational temperature is up to 60c
    Where your phone's operational temp is 40c

    And now the main thing I have a lovely cellphone that cost about R14,000 when it came out
    And as stated was not made to sit in a windscreen

    The Garmin with camera and so forth costs just over R4000 and does not mind sitting in a windscreen

    So I do not think it is becoming extinct
    But obviously sales amount has dropped
    Fully agree. These are VERY good reasons not to use a cell phone as a GPS when mobile (ans alone) in a vehicle.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RoelfleRoux View Post
    Our trusted Garmin Nuvi500, with Garmaps and T4A installed, is missing (big mystery). We don't even consider replacing it.
    I wanted to replace my Nuvi500 with a Gamin Montana...... not a good idea?
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    The heat issue is a non issue (for me)

    Even when I had a GPS it was never left mounted to the screen. Just invites a break in. And when Iím in the car the aircon was blasting past it because it mounted low enough.
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    I will agree that the Garmin maps are a pain, navigation is erratic at best and Traffic updates pretty useless. One thing I do love about Garmin is their user interface. I have yet to come across any other Android/Apple/online GPS that has a more effective and simple interface to get things done while you are driving.

    90% of the time I know where I am going and will use the GPS only for time planning, ETA to destination. I drive a lot during the day for work and before I leave a customer for my next meeting, I quickly have a squiz at Google Maps for traffic and be on my way. I still use my Garmin daily in my company car and have one in the Everest.

    If I go on holiday, all trips are pre-planned on MapSouce with a combination of T4A and Garmin maps. All way-points added that I need for quick recall. I then upload the routes and way-points to the Garmin and the rest is: Trip Planner and upload the route. I cannot sit there and struggle with a phone while I am driving.

    The Garmin sits on the dash which leaves your peripheral vision on the road if you are driving, while a phone in ones lap is a no-no. A phone on the dash is just looking for trouble and the sun burns the S___ out of it and overheats in some instances. As a added bonus, there is the impossible interface of Online/Offline apps to deal with.

    I am not ready to get rid of my Garmin, however combining online apps and Garmin so far works very well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    The heat issue is a non issue (for me)

    Even when I had a GPS it was never left mounted to the screen. Just invites a break in. And when Iím in the car the aircon was blasting past it because it mounted low enough.
    We used to mount a little paper "dakkie" for shade. Looked stupid, but worked perfectly.
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