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    FFS people, please drop the racial undertones and focus on Springbok rugby. As I've proudly stated before, the team as it stands now is inclusive of players that DESERVE to be there, irrespective of color. Perhaps that is why the Boks are united as a team again - there are 15 deserving players on the field and the top specialists in their respective positions. Each coach over the years adds something and logically a next coach will build on that. Some just adds more than purely building on the previous theme and keeping politicians at bay.
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    The 36-man Springbok squad who have assembled for the RWC camp in Bloemfontein are:

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    Schalk Brits (Bulls), Lood de Jager (Bulls), Thomas du Toit (Sharks), Pieter-Steph du Toit (Stormers), Rynhardt Elstadt (Toulouse, France), Eben Etzebeth (Stormers), Lizo Gqoboka (Bulls), Steven Kitshoff (Stormers), Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), Siya Kolisi (Stormers), Francois Louw (Bath, England), Frans Malherbe (Stormers), Malcolm Marx (Lions), Bongi Mbonambi (Stormers), Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks), Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), Trevor Nyakane (Bulls), Marvin Orie (Lions), Kwagga Smith (Lions), RG Snyman (Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (Bulls)

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    Lukhanyo Am (Sharks), Damian de Allende (Stormers), Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), André Esterhuizen (Sharks), Warrick Gelant (Bulls), Elton Jantjies (Lions), Herschel Jantjies (Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), Jesse Kriel (Bulls), Makazole Mapimpi (Sharks), Sbu Nkosi (Sharks), Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz, Japan), Handré Pollard (Bulls), Cobus Reinach (Northampton Saints, England), Frans Steyn (Montpellier, France)

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    FFS people, please drop the racial undertones and focus on Springbok rugby.
    The issue is a political one, not a racial one. Don't confuse the two.

    It's like Eskom, PRASA, SASSA, Denel, NPA....
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    The problem with racial quotes is that it wipes out talent not at top level but at the lower levels (school boy) that's suppose to the feed the system.

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    With the current form of our best 22, is this guy smoking something
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    19/08/2019.

    Boks move past England in World Rugby rankings, Wales top

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    Cape Town - The Springboks have moved past England into fourth spot on the official World Rugby rankings.

    This follows South Africa's 24-18 win over Argentina in Pretoria on Saturday and England's 13-6 defeat to Wales in Cardiff.

    The Welsh, who have won 15 of their last 16 Tests, have moved past the All Blacks into top spot for the first time.

    New Zealand beat Australia 36-0 in Auckland to retain the Bledisloe Cup but it was not enough for them to relinquish top spot for the first time since November 2009.

    Elsewhere, France moved past Scotland into seventh spot after beating them 27-10 in Paris.

    Top 20 in the latest World Rugby rankings:

    1. Wales 89.43

    2. New Zealand 89.40

    3. Ireland 88.69

    4. South Africa 86.83
    5. England 86.79

    6. Australia 84.05

    7. France 80.58

    8. Scotland 79.01

    9. Japan 77.21

    10. Fiji 76.98

    11. Argentina 76.29

    12. Georgia 74.42

    13. Italy 72.04

    14. USA 71.93

    15. Tonga 71.49

    16. Samoa 69.08

    17. Spain 68.15

    18. Romania 66.69

    19. Uruguay 65.18

    20. Russia 64.81

    Others:
    23. Namibia 61.01

    32. Kenya 51.44

    33. Zimbabwe 51.42

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    And then there were 32...

    32 Boks in camp: Which player faces World Cup chop?




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    Cape Town - There are 32 players remaining in the Springbok squad for a four-day World Cup training camp in Bloemfontein.

    This comes after it was confirmed on Monday that four players - Lizo Gqoboka (prop, Blue Bulls), Marvin Orie (lock, Golden Lions), Thomas du Toit (prop, Sharks) and Andre Esterhuizen (centre, Sharks) - were released for Currie Cup duty.

    It followed Sunday's announced that Marco van Staden (flank, Blue Bulls) and the Western Province trio of Wilco Louw (prop), Scarra Ntubeni (hooker) and Dillyn Leyds (wing) were also released back to their provinces.

    The Boks on Monday also announced that loose forward Marcell Coetzee had been ruled out of the World Cup with an ankle injury.

    So, with only 32 players remaining in camp, one can assume that coach Rassie Erasmus is close to finalising his 31-man World Cup squad.

    It appears unlikely that the players released for Currie Cup duty will be able to force their way back in, which means Erasmus will have to cut one player from the current squad of 32.

    The squad has an 18-14 forwards-backs split and deciding which player to cull will no doubt be a tough call to make.

    Coetzee's injury may well have been good news for loose forwards Kwagga Smith, Rynhardt Elstadt and Francois Louw, who may all crack the nod as back-ups for the first-choice loose forward combination of Siya Kolisi, Pieter-Steph du Toit and Duane Vermeulen.

    Erasmus has indicated that he'll take three specialist hookers which means Malcolm Marx, Bongi Mbonambi and Schalk Brits already have their tickets booked for Japan.

    The idea of taking only two specialist scrumhalves - with utility back Cheslin Kolbe as a possible back-up - has been mentioned in some circles but Erasmus said he will not take that risk, meaning Cobus Reinach will join Faf de Klerk and Herschel Jantjies in the squad.

    Erasmus could also decide to take only three specialist locks - Eben Etzebeth, Franco Mostert and RG Snyman, with Du Toit providing back-up in the second row. This scenario could see Lood de Jager miss out.

    The Bok mentor may also decide whether he wants to take four or five props. Steven Kitshoff and Beast Mtawarira are the looseheads, with Frans Malherbe and Trevor Nyakane and Vincent Koch the options at tighthead. If Erasmus decides on only four props, then Koch may be the unlucky one.

    Damian de Allende, Frans Steyn, Lukhanyo Am and Jesse Kriel are the midfielders and it's unlikely for any of them to miss out.

    Steyn can also cover at flyhalf, but Erasmus will not risk taking only one specialist pivot meaning Handre Pollard and Elton Jantjies can pack their bags for Japan.

    Wingers Kolbe, Makazole Mapimpi and S'bu Nkosi will all go, while the two options at fullback are Willie le Roux and Warrick Gelant.

    Here, Gelant could be the one to miss out as the versatile Kolbe is able to slot in at fullback.

    Erasmus will name his 31-man World Cup squad next Monday (August 26).

    The remaining 32-man Springbok squad for a training camp in Bloemfontein:

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    Schalk Brits (Bulls), Lood de Jager (Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (Stormers), Rynhardt Elstadt (Toulouse, France), Eben Etzebeth (Stormers), Steven Kitshoff (Stormers), Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), Siya Kolisi (Stormers), Francois Louw (Bath, England), Frans Malherbe (Stormers), Malcolm Marx (Lions), Bongi Mbonambi (Stormers), Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks), Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), Trevor Nyakane (Bulls), Kwagga Smith (Lions), RG Snyman (Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (Bulls)

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    Lukhanyo Am (Sharks), Damian de Allende (Stormers), Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), Warrick Gelant (Bulls), Elton Jantjies (Lions), Herschel Jantjies (Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), Jesse Kriel (Bulls), Makazole Mapimpi (Sharks), S'bu Nkosi (Sharks), Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz, Japan), Handre Pollard (Bulls), Cobus Reinach (Northampton Saints, England), Frans Steyn (Montpellier, France)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2beFree View Post
    And then there were 32...


    Forwards (1

    Schalk Brits (Bulls), Lood de Jager (Bulls), Pieter-Steph du Toit (Stormers), Rynhardt Elstadt (Toulouse, France), Eben Etzebeth (Stormers), Steven Kitshoff (Stormers), Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), Siya Kolisi (Stormers), Francois Louw (Bath, England), Frans Malherbe (Stormers), Malcolm Marx (Lions), Bongi Mbonambi (Stormers), Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks), Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), Trevor Nyakane (Bulls), Kwagga Smith (Lions), RG Snyman (Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (Bulls)

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    Lukhanyo Am (Sharks), Damian de Allende (Stormers), Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), Warrick Gelant (Bulls), Elton Jantjies (Lions), Herschel Jantjies (Stormers), Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), Jesse Kriel (Bulls), Makazole Mapimpi (Sharks), S'bu Nkosi (Sharks), Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz, Japan), Handre Pollard (Bulls), Cobus Reinach (Northampton Saints, England), Frans Steyn (Montpellier, France)

    It's between Reinach and Elstadt, but I just don't see Elstadt getting a ticket. It should be Gelant getting the chop, but I reckon it will probably be Elstadt. Since Leyds has already been released, there's no extra cover at fullback, so Gelant will probably get on the plane.
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    I would drop Elstadt and Reinach and incl another centre. Midfield attack will be our nemesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    I would drop Elstadt and Reinach and incl another centre. Midfield attack will be our nemesis.
    Agreed. Not sure why Serfontein is not in the mix? Is he injured?
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    3 scrummies?

    I don't like 2 of the 3 so I hope at least one stays at home to provide his slow service to his Currie Cup side!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nys View Post
    Agreed. Not sure why Serfontein is not in the mix? Is he injured?
    Yes injured

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    Most teams know that by equalizing or disrupting our strong forward pack will they gain the upper hand. Faf is useless behind a non-performing pack. Strong defence can only last so long unless you have major luck like in the draw against NZ. (I still say that was defence from another world).

    If I were Rassie my WC surprise would be an attacking backline. Add that in combo with the strong forward play and I will put money on a final spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nys View Post
    Agreed. Not sure why Serfontein is not in the mix? Is he injured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellie2 View Post
    This always amuses me: does it mean that we have players of colour and players of no colour?
    You know exactly what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oubie View Post
    It's between Reinach and Elstadt, but I just don't see Elstadt getting a ticket. It should be Gelant getting the chop, but I reckon it will probably be Elstadt. Since Leyds has already been released, there's no extra cover at fullback, so Gelant will probably get on the plane.
    Frans Steyn can cover #15. Gelant is not up to standard, he should go. Same applies for Reinach, Kolbe showed he can be our 3rd scrummy.

    Then between Kwagga and Elstadt it must be Elstadt that is dropped because we'll need a fast loosie for some of the games.

    As for centre's, we can pick Kolisi, he anyway plays most of the time in the back line.
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    Besides this year there is another great opportunity for the Springboks to grab the cup
    https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/wome...-2021-20190821

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweeling View Post
    Besides this year there is another great opportunity for the Springboks to grab the cup
    https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/wome...-2021-20190821

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nys View Post
    Agreed. Not sure why Serfontein is not in the mix? Is he injured?
    Would also like to know...
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    I'm just wondering if "released to their unions" fully implies "you're out of the squad". It could be that their contracts stipulated that they be available for certain local games and that they go back to the squad afterwards.
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