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    They want to charge you money for having one. Go the e toll and TV licence route and don't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olyfboer View Post
    They want to charge you money for having one. Go the e toll and TV licence route and don't bother.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    The arguments fall flat WRT off-grid systems.

    A better approach would be to pay on-grid systems a subsidy of R10k, or more on a sliding scale, and obtain the information that way.

    The on-grid systems will have a major positive impact on electric power supply, especially in view of the continuing collapse of Eskom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jola View Post
    The arguments fall flat WRT off-grid systems.

    A better approach would be to pay on-grid systems a subsidy of R10k, or more on a sliding scale, and obtain the information that way.

    The on-grid systems will have a major positive impact on electric power supply, especially in view of the continuing collapse of Eskom.
    Not really, but that is a whole new story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Not really, but that is a whole new story.
    You say that, but it is really starting to look bad for Eskom. Although maybe less so in the WC with Koeberg.

    Up North we are having problems with coal, and it looks as if there are serious quality problems with the new large power stations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jola View Post

    The on-grid systems will have a major positive impact on electric power supply, especially in view of the continuing collapse of Eskom.
    not really, as Fluffy said

    grid balancing would be a bit of a challenge methinks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    not really, as Fluffy said

    grid balancing would be a bit of a challenge methinks
    You guys are assuming reliable supply from Eskom. That is brave.

    Limited skills, poor upfront planning, inadequate quality control and labour strikes were key reasons for delays at Eskomís new build projects Medupi and Kusile.
    https://www.fin24.com/Economy/Eskom/...usile-20170209

    These reports are from last year, but AFAIK things are getting worse. We now have loadshedding in Joburg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidT View Post
    The City of Cape Town (COCT) published their policies on PV installations about FOUR YEARS ago, before everybody and their hair dresser installed PV.


    "Off grid" is a non issue, according to these regs.

    The problem comes with systems that are in any way tied to the grid .....


    And YES - if you read these regs it is made clear that "loss of income" is a driving force behind the monthly fees for grid-tied systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    The City of Cape Town (COCT) published their policies on PV installations about FOUR YEARS ago, before everybody and their hair dresser installed PV.


    "Off grid" is a non issue, according to these regs.

    The problem comes with systems that are in any way tied to the grid .....


    And YES - if you read these regs it is made clear that "loss of income" is a driving force behind the monthly fees for grid-tied systems.
    By loss of income are they referring to those that feed back into the grid and reduce the meter amount owing, I thought that wasn't possible with modern digital meters?

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    Been running Grid Tied here in Pta for a while now. Tshwane's draft regulation has also been out now for over four years, expecting it to get galvanised into action soon, then we'll also need to go through the registration process.
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    Boreholes is a total different story as you have the national water act that will limit what the city can do.

    With regards to solar, they will have loss of income if you're grid tied or off grid. How can you basically penalize someone because they now buy less of your product and are more energy (coal energy) independant. Yes I know that the problem sits whith peak demands etc. Your solar does little to help peak demands. The 6 - 9pm peak will still be the same. If you however do the rest of the needed conversions before getting solar electricity like going to gas for cooking, solar water heating etc, then it makes sense as the next step to go to solar panels for electricity.

    So they are asking you extra money because you dare generate electricity on which they cannot add a mark up. Electricity sales is from a long time ago not a service anymore. You need to fund all those that flood into the cape that lives in shacks and that need their basic amount of free electricity.

    I can see reasoning why you need to register if you have a grid tied feed in connection where you will feed into the grid. I do however not see the need to register if you've got one of the approved inverters as per the list published by the city, to make it a safe setup, and you are setting the inverter on utilise and non feed in. If you have a pre-paid meter in will in anyway subtract credits for electricity flow in any direction. So they can't really lose. To get the feed-in function you need to purchase a 4 quadrant meter at your cost which then becomes their property. How is that? I mean really, they charge you a load of money every month but they can't even supply the needed meter for that account? It's pathetic, and just another way more money is being taken from those who have to distribute for free to those who do not have.

    What they basically did was that with an average household, that your account at the end of the month to the city will remain more or less the same. Haven't done recent calcs, but that's what I remember from my research and calculations of about 2 years ago...

    ps: So I see the registration fee will most likely only be applicable to grid tied feed in systems, and off grid systems they say need to be registered so not to be mistaken for grid tied systems...
    Would be interesting for what and when they will charge you the admin fee. Last time I checked it was only for the feed in connections, and not for simple grid tied non feed in connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillemT View Post
    Boreholes is a total different story as you have the national water act that will limit what the city can do.

    With regards to solar, they will have loss of income if you're grid tied or off grid. How can you basically penalize someone because they now buy less of your product and are more energy (coal energy) independant. Yes I know that the problem sits whith peak demands etc. Your solar does little to help peak demands. The 6 - 9pm peak will still be the same. If you however do the rest of the needed conversions before getting solar electricity like going to gas for cooking, solar water heating etc, then it makes sense as the next step to go to solar panels for electricity.

    So they are asking you extra money because you dare generate electricity on which they cannot add a mark up. Electricity sales is from a long time ago not a service anymore. You need to fund all those that flood into the cape that lives in shacks and that need their basic amount of free electricity.

    I can see reasoning why you need to register if you have a grid tied feed in connection where you will feed into the grid. I do however not see the need to register if you've got one of the approved inverters as per the list published by the city, to make it a safe setup, and you are setting the inverter on utilise and non feed in. If you have a pre-paid meter in will in anyway subtract credits for electricity flow in any direction. So they can't really lose. To get the feed-in function you need to purchase a 4 quadrant meter at your cost which then becomes their property. How is that? I mean really, they charge you a load of money every month but they can't even supply the needed meter for that account? It's pathetic, and just another way more money is being taken from those who have to distribute for free to those who do not have.

    What they basically did was that with an average household, that your account at the end of the month to the city will remain more or less the same. Haven't done recent calcs, but that's what I remember from my research and calculations of about 2 years ago...

    ps: So I see the registration fee will most likely only be applicable to grid tied feed in systems, and off grid systems they say need to be registered so not to be mistaken for grid tied systems...
    Would be interesting for what and when they will charge you the admin fee. Last time I checked it was only for the feed in connections, and not for simple grid tied non feed in connections.
    Just some points.

    Not all grid-tie Inverters can prevent feed in. In fact very few, as in almost none can do it by themselves. They need and external intelligent bi-directional meter with an interface via, usually CAN or MODBUS, to speak to the Inverter. Preventing feed in is EXTREMELY difficult technically. It’s a bit like a cars electronic traction control. It can only react after the fact.

    All, or nearly all modern approved meters can measure current flow in both directions. Probably close on 100% of already installed smart meters can. They just need to be set up to do so. This involves a PC with software and an interface to connect to the meter. The interface is usually an IR link to the little “eye” on the front of the meter.

    Just because an Inverter is approved as being safe and implementing anti Islanding, doesn’t mean the installation is compliant from a safety point of view. Most Inverters have an initial setup you have to go through where they can be set up incorrectly. (People sometimes “tweak” the anti islanding parameters to compensate for an unstable grid supply)

    The tariffs require a whole new mindset. Present (older?) tariff structure are much like the pricing structure of petrol/diesel. The tariff structure is made up of various components. Let’s say for arguments sake the structure is 30 cents ring fenced for infrastructure development and maintenance, and the remainder allocated to energy consumption and profit. If everybody reduced their consumption to almost nothing there would be no revenue for infrastructure.

    I don’t like this anymore than you or anyone else, but it’s a harsh reality. I don’t know what the answer is, neither do all the major electricity suppliers world wide.

    This situation is almost identical to the e-toll conandrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    By loss of income are they referring to those that feed back into the grid and reduce the meter amount owing, I thought that wasn't possible with modern digital meters?
    It probably covers ALL PV setups because even if you don't feed back, you are still using LESS mains electricity and thus, are reducing their income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    By loss of income are they referring to those that feed back into the grid and reduce the meter amount owing, I thought that wasn't possible with modern digital meters?
    Nope.

    They speak in detail of the "loss of income" from the sales of electricity. These sales have TWO objectives (other than paying eskom):

    1) to make money to pay for the maintenance of the distribution system (Europe needs to re-evaluate their model to generate money for this)

    2) sales of electricity is the single biggest source of income for municipalities !! This has been widely documented, with Paarl declaring 45% of its income from the sale of electricity. People going the PV route is eroding the municipalities stream of income .... THEIR OWN WORDS !

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    Okay, just had a look on the COCT site.

    Here are the documents that the media is refering to :

    - Requirements for SSEG
    - OFF Grid
    - Grid tied


    Interesting to note the "off-grid" forms that have been added since I last looked at this .... I will keep mine ready, and see how this unfolds ...

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    So does that legislation apply to a portable generator at home as well ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    The City of Cape Town (COCT) published their policies on PV installations about FOUR YEARS ago, before everybody and their hair dresser installed PV.


    "Off grid" is a non issue, according to these regs.

    The problem comes with systems that are in any way tied to the grid .....


    And YES - if you read these regs it is made clear that "loss of income" is a driving force behind the monthly fees for grid-tied systems.
    the loss of their income is due the gov's manner of handling business. BBEEE is probably one of the biggest contributing factors, where skills have gone abroad and now are filled with unskilled labour.

    Another example of this registering a pv system, will result in another charge for Capetonians. We have now been introduced to a water supply (based on diameter pipe feed 15mm, 20mm and 40mm) and electrical feed to your house. On average your municipal bill has increase by R230 bucks for infrastructure that has already laid decades ago and paid for by rates and taxes and taxpayers money. This is another way for the Incompetent DA to rape Cape Town further (my opinion).

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    Remind me of this

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.11a2f62e089f

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    Water laws are so strict in Colorado that rainwater collection is virtually prohibited. The doctrine is written into the stateís Constitution. All the rain is already spoken for. It belongs to someone, and that someone probably isnít you. So donít you touch it.
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    Same as the watertanks here in the western cape, It is gonna be another form of taxation.
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    Yep, all good citizens of this province should register their solar panels now so that at a later stage this wonderful government of ours can track you and hit you with a compliance permit which comes up for renewal on an annual basis. Hey, DA!... Imagine the income that can be generated if there were to be a levy imposed on satellite dishes... ? Ha ha.

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