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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudeG View Post
    I share your exact same sentiment..

    It was a bit of an anticlimax after seeing it yesterday. I just got lost in all tech and gadgets. It just does not excite me like a Defender does. Do i see one in my future...yes of course, but i will used by my wife and the kids, and as the new 'family car'. I will continue to drive my current Defender.

    In summary, its much like my smart phone. Do i want one? Not really, but somehow its become a necessity in this day and age.
    Sheesh, old Defender fans are hard to please

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    Its like the old split window kombie. Lots of fans for the split window but the new kombie is just so much better for modern life and traveling. I do however have a friend that travels around the country in a split window (on and off tar), so you do get the traditionalists. I have owned an old kombie and while it was great fun and we loved it, I would hate to travel further than say 200kms in it with my family.

    For me I agree, the New Defender doesnt have the character of the old Defender and Im not surprised by all the negativity by the old Defender owners.....how do you replace a vehicle that has been more or less the same for 60+ years? But no matter the negativity you have to admit it is so much better in every way and I would far rather travel with my family in the New Defender than the old. They will be happier and not to mention much safer. Maybe it will gain character once people start using them and personalizing them.

    At least as a business JLR have huge growth potential now as they can now sell the Defender in, for example, in the American market. So I think they will have achieved their goal. I bet the goal was to gain new customers that will spend the money and not to keep the old Defender owners happy, as most of them probably wouldn't sell their old Defenders and buy the new one anyway. Remember the negative comments about the Puma, TD5 Defender and Disco 2, 3 and 4 when they came out? Same story every time they introduce a new vehicle. Its like the guys who keep going on about steel wheels, while they are not wrong how many times have you actually destroyed a modern alloy rim in the bush while overlanding? Ive had 7 landies with alloy wheels in around 20 years and traveled all over Southern Africa and never damaged a rim where it became unusable but I do know of several people who have damaged steel wheels that become unusable during those trips and no hammering with a 5 pound hammer fixed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    But no matter the negativity you have to admit it is so much better in every way and I would far rather travel with my family in the New Defender than the old.
    Cant wait to see farmers replacing their bakkies , cant wait to see game viewers made out of this etc...

    The thing is though it is not better in every way , the one is a workhorse the other is a modern suv made for an entirely different market.

    Saying its better in every way is incorrect , you cant really compare the two cars because they have a different design philosophy .

    I do like the new defender and will one day love the have one , but in no ways is it a replacement for the old defender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post

    The thing is though it is not better in every way , the one is a workhorse the other is a modern suv made for an entirely different market.
    The new defender can be workhorse too, right?

    Spec the 90 without air suspension and with steel rims and well - strip out rear seats and do what you want with the inside.

    Secondly I can't see what work the old defender does that the new one can't anyway.
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    Ummm....they are already being used by farmers in Europe......and most farmers are using Toyotas, Isuzus and Tata or is it mahindras in SA. So why target such a small market?
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    Apologies if I missed it but what are the actual tyre sizes? In 18 & 20?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toytjie View Post
    Apologies if I missed it but what are the actual tyre sizes? In 18 & 20”?
    Looks like a 255/70R18?

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    the 20" is a 255/60/20:

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    The new defender can be workhorse too, right?

    Spec the 90 without air suspension and with steel rims and well - strip out rear seats and do what you want with the inside.

    Secondly I can't see what work the old defender does that the new one can't anyway.
    One can do the same with a range rover , doesnt change the fact that it wasnt designed for it
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    Ummm....they are already being used by farmers in Europe......and most farmers are using Toyotas, Isuzus and Tata or is it mahindras in SA. So why target such a small market?
    They shoudnt target the small market , i didnt make that argument . They made the right choice for their own well being by doing a modern car.

    2 hale bales in the boot doesnt make it a workhorse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post
    One can do the same with a range rover , doesnt change the fact that it wasnt designed for it
    To true, after 2x serieslll's I went Defender and then Range Rover!
    Now on my 5th one, works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    Secondly I can't see what work the old defender does that the new one can't anyway.
    Giving enough money i can make a Bentley a rock crawler , but what would be better that or a defender rock crawler.

    The old defender is just better suited to a proper hard work car.
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    I think what the people are trying to say is that the older Defender Type vehicle was designed as LITE TRUCK type vehicle that could be homologated to do various farming and industrial tasks or uses. And that the new one is an SUV only. But the "utility" in sUv is limited to moving people from one place to another
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post
    The old defender is just better suited to a proper hard work car.

    No arguments here but have you seen any of those vehicles in service now? As far as I have seen all those vehicles have been replaced with purpose type vehicle. Even the fire truck has been replaced with mostly Toyota Land Cruisers from what I have seen. I think those markets for LR are lost.

    For my needs the New Defender is almost perfect. If I was a farmer of any type I would own a Toyota Land Cruiser bakkie as much as I am a LR fan and not a Toyota fan and hate to admit it. LR lost this market many years ago as it did the military market and most of those service markets in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post
    2 hale bales in the boot doesnt make it a workhorse

    haha true but the old one could probably only carry 4 at most - maybe, not sure with the rear wheel arches. Point is is that farmers are already using them. I personally wouldn't but I wouldn't have used any of my 110's either.


    BTW my wife agrees with some of you and has said exactly the same as some of you. "Its not a Defender" , "she misses our Defender" and "it should have been a D4 replacement" blah blah blah. .... what does she know?



    My D5 is going to LR next week (i hardly use it anyway) and then the long wait for the New Defender to arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    No arguments here but have you seen any of those vehicles in service now? As far as I have seen all those vehicles have been replaced with purpose type vehicle. Even the fire truck has been replaced with mostly Toyota Land Cruisers from what I have seen. I think those markets for LR are lost.

    For my needs the New Defender is almost perfect. If I was a farmer of any type I would own a Toyota Land Cruiser bakkie as much as I am a LR fan and not a Toyota fan and hate to admit it. LR lost this market many years ago as it did the military market and most of those service markets in general.
    I agree , the Toyota Land Cruiser is similar to the defender and probably ousted the defender from the market due to its reliability as well as good toyota marketing. They are both equally easy to modify into a purpose built car .

    This is what i was going for , someone caught what i tried to say and formulated it into something easy to understand.

    ''I think what the people are trying to say is that the older Defender Type vehicle was designed as LITE TRUCK type vehicle that could be homologated to do various farming and industrial tasks or uses. And that the new one is an SUV only. But the "utility" in sUv is limited to moving people from one place to another''

    Thanks hedgehog .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Niela View Post
    I agree , the Toyota Land Cruiser is similar to the defender and probably ousted the defender from the market due to its reliability
    I've always stated exactly this, that farmers already have the LC70 series to use. Heck I've also stated before that they can chose from many other bakkies.

    Those stuck with defender and only defender are just brand snobs

    But again, what do I know about farming..

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    I will admit that it has grown on me, to the point that when I move my RRS on in around 3 years I will seriously consider a defender. My question for those moving from a D5 to defender is why? The pricing is similar, the disco will apparently go most places it is required to and is more luxurious?

    What I love about my sport is that it does everything well enough for me it is without doubt my fave vehicle I have owned, in the new defender I will definitely miss the on road performance, and its versatility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamtheman View Post
    . My question for those moving from a D5 to defender is why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    Somebody thinks that doing Van Zyl's pass is going to convince many of us who are saying that this is not a Defender replacement, that it is? They are clueless...
    Why is it important to convince them otherwise?

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