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    Quote Originally Posted by Waynesteele View Post
    I think Land Rover intentionally and cleverly used the Defender name and heritage to their advantage.
    The brand is their property 100%. They can do with it whatever they hope will make them money.

    Some people who bemoan the applicability between the old and new probably won't even buy a car in this price segment anyway so no harm there in the form of a potential customer lost.
    How many were buying the old one? What were the sales figures globally? U get the picture..

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    Quote Originally Posted by faniedup View Post
    Why is it important to convince them otherwise?
    Didn't say it was important. Just saying, some people are clueless.

    They probably think that Chicken comes from Nando's and Lamb chops come from Woolworths... who needs farmers right...
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    Does anyone know the dimensions of the boot in centimeters?


    edit: 919cm
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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    No single product or thing or entity can 100% replace another one in theory, because they two would be very, very different in many aspects.

    So with all intents, even the D5 was not a D4 "replacement" really in the literal sense. Perhaps an upgrade.
    This isn't an upgrade, it's a different vehicle.

    If Nissan put a GTR badge on an Infiniti Q50, it wouldn't make it a GTR.

    People who understand what a GTR is would get that, others would be happy because they get to tell their buddies that they drive a GTR, but they don't have to put up with it's draw backs, but they're driving an Infiniti, which is not a GTR, and never will be, no matter what the badge says.

    Same if Porsche put a 911 badge on a Cayman. A Cayman, no matter how well it sells will never be a 911. More people will buy it if it had a 911 badge on it though, badge snobbery.

    Land Rover have put a Defender badge on a Discovery 4.5. They haven't replaced the Defender. Good for them, I'm sure that they'll attract some extra customers who buy a badge and not a vehicle.

    But the Defender is gone..

    My last of 6 Defender's was bought from me after being used for 590 000 km and 22 years as a farming vehicle. It is now being used in a hunting concession in some remote part of Mozambique, the "New Defender" is not built for that. It's built for people who think that going to Ponta De Ouro, is off-roading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    This isn't an upgrade, it's a different vehicle.

    My last of 6 Defender's was bought from me after being used for 590 000 km and 22 years as a farming vehicle. It is now being used in a hunting concession in some remote part of Mozambique, the "New Defender" is not built for that. It's built for people who think that going to Ponta De Ouro, is off-roading.
    And that is OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dph View Post
    And that is OK.
    Correct. It is OK.

    I was responding to the post that claims that driving the New Defender up or down a pass is going to convince us that the New one is a replacement for the old one...

    It's the same as the post where a split screen Kombi is compared to a new one, it's completely irrelevant. A split screen Kombi is collectible for nostalgic reasons, it does nothing better than the new one.

    The Defender is not desirable for nostalgic reasons, it does certain things better than most other vehicles, to this day... things that pen pushers wouldn't appreciate or understand.

    The new one is simply a flaunting of wealth...
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    Sho! Sounds like some people are upset.

    i don’t see many farmers using defenders anymore and on my trip through the Karoo and NC last week I didn’t see one defender. I saw hundreds of Toyota’s and even saw quite a few Mahindra bakkies, a couple D5’s a bunch of D4’s and range rovers. Not one defender. Actually I lie, when I pulled into Lonehill I saw two.

    i will be buying the new one if the deal works out, and not to flaunt my wealth(or lack thereof). I will buy it because I like it! It will meet my road and overland travel needs perfectly but will also spend most of its life in my garage as a holiday vehicle mostly. I will then share my trips which will be through Southern Africa (all over) as Ive done for years in Disco 3, 4s and now a 5 and will do so more comfortably and safer than I would have in any of my old Defenders and I loved my defenders and do still miss them believe it or not, but I’ve moved on!
    Yes the defender does do some things better than other vehicles but it does many more things a lot worse too.

    the new datson GTR (besides being a piece of ####) is a great example of evolution because of how it’s been modernized and improved on the old. It’s even available in SA now unlike the old ones.

    as for split window Kombis versus the new, it is very relevant. Have you seen how some of the split window Kombis where used back in the day? You have to also know how passionate some people are about them and yet those same people wouldn’t be seen dead in a new one! Same as some defender fans.

    If you don’t like the new defender that’s fine, but don’t start making assumptions and insulting those that decide to buy them and then assuming that they don’t fit into your definition of 4x4ing or overlanding! And besides so what if they never leave Sandton, I know of some of the old defenders and even a few series that don’t leave Gauteng and some (defenders) that have never been off road either. So what it’s their money!

    The world unfortunately has become a disposable world and keeping a 20 year plus defender for 500 whatever thousand kms will not help keeping LR in business. They are already in the poo due to their poor performance and original defender fans who won’t use their modern products won’t keep them in business so they had to do something to try gain customers......wether you agree or not the New one has replaced the old one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    The new one is simply a flaunting of wealth...
    This is an absurd observation, given the old one, although not costing the same as the new one, was also not a cheap car either.

    It's about what one wants, what makes one happy and fulfilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    ...If you donít like the new defender thatís fine, ...
    Where did I say I didn't like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    This is an absurd observation,
    If you say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    It's about what one wants, what makes one happy and fulfilled.
    This is true. Some people are happy and fulfilled by expensive cars. Good for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    Where did I say I didn't like it?
    it’s a general statement


    Expensive car? Perhaps if you comparing to you 20+ year old defender but It’s similar pricing to other vehicles in its category.

    What price would you have expected it to cost out of interest?

    Have you looked at vehicle prices in say Autotrader lately?

    now this is flippen crazy and there are a few in this price range:
    https://www.autotrader.co.za/car-for-sale/land-rover/defender/110-td/25044457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    If you say so.



    This is true. Some people are happy and fulfilled by expensive cars. Good for them.
    Nice/quality things cost money, whether it's cars, laptops, TVs, food, etc.

    If you can afford expensive stuff, that's fine. If you can't afford nice things, that's also fine, but there is no need to put down people who can.

    Jealousy is a not a nice trait...
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    Thought some of you may like this pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    Thought some of you may like this pic
    Is it real or cgi.. old defender appears much smaller in size to new one. Thought it was larger, taller, longer etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    Is it real or cgi.. old defender appears much smaller in size to new one. Thought it was larger, taller, longer etc
    Modern cars are getting bigger and bigger because of all the safety features regulators insist on these days... I'm not at all surprised that New Defender is mich bigger than the old one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou07 View Post
    Modern cars are getting bigger and bigger because of all the safety features regulators insist on these days... I'm not at all surprised that New Defender is mich bigger than the old one

    yep, the other day an old Mini drove past me and I almost laughed it was so tiny compared to the rest of the cars on the road
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    Itís a real pic taken by an owner in Europe that I got off of Facebook. Itís also at off road height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Nice/quality things cost money, whether it's cars, laptops, TVs, food, etc.

    If you can afford expensive stuff, that's fine. If you can't afford nice things, that's also fine, but there is no need to put down people who can.

    Jealousy is a not a nice trait...
    Aaahhhh... the old, "if he doesn't drive an expensive car he must be poor" reasoning.

    Some of the wealthiest people in the world drive inexpensive, relatively speaking, vehicles.

    Don't assume that people who don't have expensive things can't afford them. People have different priorities.

    Jealousy is a trait that I thankfully have never struggled with.

    Where did I put anyone down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    it’s a general statement
    I haven't said that I don't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    Expensive car? Perhaps if you comparing to you 20+ year old defender but It’s similar pricing to other vehicles in its category.
    At a R 1000 000 it's in an expensive segment of the market. There's no getting around that. Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't price it there, Land Rover did.

    I realize that other vehicles in the segment cost the same, they are also expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceT View Post
    What price would you have expected it to cost out of interest?
    I expected it to be expensive when we first got a glimpse of what it was going to be. The price is no surprise.
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    Only about R85k more than a JL Wrangler....
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