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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Finally, some proper off-roading with a direct comparison between old & new Defender, although the driver does not seem to know what s/he's doing...

    Having driven a Disco 4 in similar conditions I reckon they handicapped the New Defender by putting it in the wrong mode. My Disco did not spin wheels like that in rock crawl and the New Defender is supposed to have a better system. The Disco crawls up in a controlled fashion as long as one wheel has traction. Here they were spinning one wheel often and sometimes both on th side we could see. Also the locking diffs were either not present or had been disabled.

    All in all a disappointing video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Finally, some proper off-roading with a direct comparison between old & new Defender, although the driver does not seem to know what s/he's doing...

    Not the most experienced lot of off roaders IMO. And no matter what fancy electronics you have, tyres and tyre pressures are still very important
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    Yep, I would have walked that hill in my D4 and RRS.

    That driver was a n00b, and it also doesn't seem like that 110 has the rear diff.

    But even without the rear diff, it shouldn't have gotten stuck so much. And he clearly doesn't know how to get the TC to work properly.
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    Theres always someone driving the vehicle. The driver made a hack of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Not the most experienced lot of off roaders IMO. And no matter what fancy electronics you have, tyres and tyre pressures are still very important
    Agree!
    The 90 Defender is difficult to beat.Looks as if the 90 has rear difflock....then unstoppable.Swaybars on the 90 removed,that is not normal wheeltravel.
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    PowerfulUK got theirs, so we can expect some upgrades soonish

    https://youtu.be/gj4xGgYKeFw
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    another clip from the same event in Israel:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    another clip from the same event in Israel:
    I'm underwhelmed. A stock Rubi would have done that without an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    I'm underwhelmed. A stock Rubi would have done that without an issue.

    No one is disputing that the Wrangler is better off-road OOTB, but for long-distance touring/overlanding, this will be the better vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    No one is disputing that the Wrangler is better off-road OOTB, but for long-distance touring/overlanding, this will be the better vehicle.
    The old defender will be able to do trails and overlanding quite well.

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    I'm underwhelmed. A stock Rubi would have done that without an issue.
    ...always good to see what we hear,
    then theres still Rubi’s aquaphobia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    but for long-distance touring/overlanding, this will be the better vehicle.
    That remains to be seen and proven. I'm not convinced. Not without serious money.
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    I finaly went to see it in the flesh and I like it but not as a Defender.

    There is no ways it will keep up with an old Defender with larger tyres, 50mm lift and lockers. Zero chance.

    Some will say that is not a fair comparsion but it is because you can mod an old Defender to make it better not many mods you will be able to do on the new one even if you wanted too, other than going from road tyres to AT or Muds.

    The car confuses me actually I like but then then I am confused about it. Reminds me of a rickets person wearing a padded suit to make him look like a bodybuilder, says all the right things about gym to sell it to you (in this case, approach angle, breakover angle, short over hang etc) but then underneath he is no different to your average joe who weighs 60kgs or in this case a Discovery 5.

    There is a pre production model at Menlyn Land Rover until the 9th June, just make an appointment with them to view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    I'm underwhelmed. A stock Rubi would have done that without an issue.
    I think Land Rover dropped the ball with not adding Advanced terrain response 2, active rear differential and a towball as standard. Its a defender....it should have the best capability out of the box as standard.

    We will see many new defenders struggle off-road just because they havent ticked the right option box. Major fail in terms of brand image if you ask me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I finaly went to see it in the flesh and I like it but not as a Defender.

    There is no ways it will keep up with an old Defender with larger tyres, 50mm lift and lockers. Zero chance.

    Some will say that is not a fair comparsion but it is because you can mod an old Defender to make it better not many mods you will be able to do on the new one even if you wanted too, other than going from road tyres to AT or Muds.

    The car confuses me actually I like but then then I am confused about it. Reminds me of a rickets person wearing a padded suit to make him look like a bodybuilder, says all the right things about gym to sell it to you (in this case, approach angle, breakover angle, short over hang etc) but then underneath he is no different to your average joe who weighs 60kgs or in this case a Discovery 5.

    There is a pre production model at Menlyn Land Rover until the 9th June, just make an appointment with them to view.
    In fact I also wonder if a D4 is not a better vehicle than the new defender, as in far as the whole theme goes.

    It's boxy, so imagewise it's comparable. It's equally capable, and well, it's cheaper as a used example, and it's tried and tested.

    Is there any compelling reason, other than just a bit of splurging of cash, to upgrade from a perfectly nice D4 to the new defender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    In fact I also wonder if a D4 is not a better vehicle than the new defender, as in far as the whole theme goes.

    It's boxy, so imagewise it's comparable. It's equally capable, and well, it's cheaper as a used example, and it's tried and tested.

    Is there any compelling reason, other than just a bit of splurging of cash, to upgrade from a perfectly nice D4 to the new defender?
    I had a D4 for a few years and no I don't see any reason other than having the latest "Defender". Don't get my wrong I like it but its does eveything a D4 can do and will probably do somethings a little better which is expected from a newer SUV.

    The new platform has a X for extreme though

    So basically the Defender can do everything give or take that a Disco 4 can do but cannot do everything an old Defender can do but it is marketed it as a Defender replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I had a D4 for a few years and no I don't see any reason other than having the latest "Defender". Don't get my wrong I like it but its does eveything a D4 can do and will probably do somethings a little better which is expected from a newer SUV.

    The new platform has a X for extreme though

    So basically the Defender can do everything give or take that a Disco 4 can do but cannot do everything an old Defender can do but it is marketed it as a Defender replacement.
    Very valid arguments although I think the new Defender will most probably outlast ( in years ) the d4 which is one of the most capable 4x4s and hard to better . To judge the new Defender on what we’ve seen up to now is a bit early. What most of the guys here long for as far as I can see ., is a old world “tang and draad “ 4x4 , and that is not gonna happen . Old Defender is like watching old movies , a lot of memories and nostalgia but not that good . Seen a green 2.8i Defender going up from pinhaven to key west here in Krugerdorp today ( a steep incline ) and wow was this thing in good nick , but by the time it reached the top I was on my second whiskey . By the way , I still think my fathers Valiant was the best 4x4 I ever drove
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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    In fact I also wonder if a D4 is not a better vehicle than the new defender, as in far as the whole theme goes.

    It's boxy, so imagewise it's comparable. It's equally capable, and well, it's cheaper as a used example, and it's tried and tested.

    Is there any compelling reason, other than just a bit of splurging of cash, to upgrade from a perfectly nice D4 to the new defender?
    It's what us simpletons have been saying all a long.

    It's a Discovery replacement, not a Defender replacement.

    Calling it a Defender is purely a marketing strategy.

    I used to say that I like it... not so sure anymore?

    Underwhelming...

    The Grenadier on the other hand, that's exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontuin View Post
    It's what us simpletons have been saying all a long.


    Underwhelming...

    The Grenadier on the other hand, that's exciting.
    I can't see the Grenadier having a plastic thermostat housing.

    Too many Germans involved in the project for that to happen...

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