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    Quote Originally Posted by NvD42 View Post
    Just a few thoughts on my needs / wants with the new Defender

    I have not bought a new (out the box / nat nuut) car for myself for 20 years - did buy a few for business and SWAMBO and the "family" wagons that I consider not FOR me

    I am HAPPY with my D4 V8 - 2011 with 230,000km - there are a few niggles on a 9 year old car and the fuel - well the V8's horses needs to be fed...

    My daily travel is very do-able with an Electric / Hybrid vehicle and of the 4 sons 2 now at Uni.

    SO - My ideal thinking is:

    a New Defender 90 Hybrid as my Daily - just FUN and practical FOR me and great 4x4 option
    a New Defender 130 as the holiday / family / overland - this will also replace the Kia wagon (YES )

    PROBLEM

    This set-up not available for what 2-3 years and with current state of the world we have zero clue when and in SA .. when if ever ..

    SO .... I want to buy a New 90 / 110 - my gat juk serious - I can do it financially

    BUT

    I love cars - hell I own to many - have zero debt on them and see them as pure an expense and joy not an asset at all and thus buy 2nd hand keep for long time...

    My hart struggle to convince my head that R1.5m for a car is worth it .. this is not a refection on the new Defender price this is on ALL new cars ...

    EISH this is a bit of rambling of my thoughts

    I guess my question is - if you think of the above and I convince my head to spend on a new car for me what would be your advice ?

    - New 90 straight 6 petrol - all the bells and whistles - forget about Hybrid keep for 10 years
    - New 90 2.0 turbo petrol bare basics - test the 2.0 petrol have FUN and trade in when Hybrid arrives ..

    Cheers
    According to autocar.co.uk, JLR is also adding a V8 petrol to the defender, like soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byaru1 View Post
    Do we know if the diesels will be EURO3 or EURO4.. so they can at least venture a bit into Africa..
    You'll find the diesel in Africa right into Ethopia better than what we have here in SA, even in Malawi the diesel was a better quality than SA as they get it from Tanzanian from Saudi.
    LR will be on euro 6 build spec and they dont care about africa with its bad fuel in certain countries
    Lets hope the new model is ad blu free.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by viperover View Post
    You'll find the diesel in Africa right into Ethopia better than what we have here in SA, even in Malawi the diesel was a better quality than SA as they get it from Tanzanian from Saudi.
    Quality I dont know but what I know its not the ULSD stuff for EU6 engines like 10ppm and below.

    LR will be on euro 6 build spec and they dont care about africa with its bad fuel in certain countries
    Lets hope the new model is ad blu free.......
    But isn't the current sdv6 in the D5 and RRS eu4 spec (to the best of my knowledge it has no pdf or SCR and adblue stuff) which even makes it EU3
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    The Defenders used in the Namibian trips definitely had the AdBlue tanks - one could see the filler spouts. And I saw them refilling at a fuel station at Langstrand. For what it may be worth.

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    These reviews are meaningless, to me at least, as they compare these vehicles to the Defender.
    Why compare this vehicle to something that has not been in production for 4+ years and whose underpinnings are from the last century?
    Another personal observation is that none of the reviewers seem to be owners or past owners of the Defender- which leads them to prattle on about Defenders and high speed and such nonsense

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    One of the UK reviewers owns a Defender, the bearded guy from TopGear IIRC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oreo View Post
    These reviews are meaningless, to me at least, as they compare these vehicles to the Defender.
    Why compare this vehicle to something that has not been in production for 4+ years and whose underpinnings are from the last century?
    Another personal observation is that none of the reviewers seem to be owners or past owners of the Defender- which leads them to prattle on about Defenders and high speed and such nonsense
    How does it stack up against other luxury SUVs would be a more sensible comparison?

    Taoureg, Grand Cherokee, Discovery 5, Range Rover Sport, F-Pace, Patrol, LC200 .... and some of the top-of-the-range double cabs and their SUV derivatives.
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    O, I see. It's what they said as well.

    "FORGET everything youíve come to know about the Land Rover Defender over the past decades. In fact, forget Defender all together and ignore the lettering across the front of this new model. Letís just call it the new Land Rover.

    Why, you ask? Because comparing this new Land Rover to any model that came before it is irrelevant. The L663 Land Rover bares no commonalities to the Defender and Series models of the past, save for a few token style elements that pay homage to the classic models."

    "..but itíll be competing with the V8 Nissan Patrol and Land Cruisers for the family fourbie buyer."
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    Spotted on Bowler's FB feed:




    So they're already busy playing with it!
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    Defender heroes: the people behind Land Rover's definitive 4x4: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/f...definitive-4x4

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    Rob Atkins - chief engineer, vehicle engineering
    “I was involved with the Defender programme from the early stages,” says Atkins. “My job was to pull the architecture, which is to say the main components of the vehicle, all together. My team and I work on all of our SUV models: the Defender was just one of them, though of course it’s a very important one. Basically, I just know lots of people across the business and my job is to suck their expertise out of them – whatever the project needs.”

    Atkins says one important reason for the Defender’s success is that it isn’t a caricature of the original car, or of the outgoing model, but it has been created from a genuine attempt to make a vehicle for today, and looking several decades forward, that is modern in every key aspect but carries the same iconic values as the 1948 original.

    “There was no way the new Defender could ever be a rebadged version of one of our other SUVs,” he says. “Nick Rogers was really good at holding us to account over that. He was adamant that it had to be authentic. In any case, [design chief] Gerry McGovern and his design team had come up with a great concept for a modern machine, and we knew we needed to do justice to that.”

    Many of the biggest Defender decisions aren’t obvious, says Atkins, such as the use of a monocoque structure instead of a traditional body-on-frame set-up, and the very advanced electronic architecture. He and his team were heavily involved in all of that. But he’s proud of two particular decisions: the use of bigger tyres to raise the Defender’s driving position and improve its off-road traction; and some special packaging measures needed to make the Defender’s boot space as wide and uncluttered as it is, in comparison with more conventional SUVs.

    The decision about the big wheels came early, says Atkins: “Even before we had a fully engineered mule, we did some testing after we fitted bigger tyres to a Range Rover Sport and it was very promising. Then we went to Dubai, where sand driving is the national sport, and were simply blown away by the performance of our Defender mule, even when we were using road tyre pressures. We knew the design was strong, but big wheels gave the vehicle extra height and presence, and a lot more grip. That was a very important moment.”


    Mike Cross - chief engineer, vehicle integrity
    Mike Cross isn’t a big talker. He prefers to demonstrate what he does – which is to bring “Land Roverness” to every model, then signing it off when he’s sure it has arrived – by getting you to drive the product, or deploying his own legendary driving skills. Which is why we were circulating the Gaydon test track at 90mph-plus as he explained his role with the Defender.

    “I wanted it to drive the way it looks,” he says, “to feel a bit… mechanical. It needed to be fun to drive, with the right kind of precision and so on, but in an idiosyncratic sort of way. This wasn’t a sports car.”

    That’s why the Defender has more body roll than many of the cars Cross has been involved with: an off-roader is expected to be pretty compliant over bumps. He looks pleased when I take the wheel for a bit and observe that the car feels pleasantly supple over bumps large and small, but despite its softish, all-independent air suspension, there’s absolutely no body float, even at high speed. (We touch 120mph.) The steering is pleasant and accurate, too. Not sporty, just capable. “It’s supposed to feel very connected to the road,” he says.

    Cross and his team were involved at the two critical times for Defender: at the most formative stage, and in the last 15 months, when mules were being assessed. “In the first instance, my team works with the engineers to produce a statement of intent for the car and we guide the car’s development, from a dynamic point of view, as it progresses,” he says. “Then when mules become available, we start driving them. Our job is to make certain the car meets the values that we laid down and that buyers will expect from a Land Rover. That means noise, vibration, harshness [assessment] as well as steering quality and effort, brake feel, ride and handling.”

    On a high-speed departure from the test track, we attack a couple of evil-looking concrete jumps, one after the other, at 90mph. The car gets airborne each time but tracks dead straight when it lands and feels like it’s alighting on a huge, firm cushion. There’s no sign of bottoming and Cross allows himself a faint smile. “I think this is one of the best vehicles we’ve done,” he says."
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    New Land Rover Defender P400 2020 review: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-r...00-2020-review

    "Verdict
    Petrol or diesel? Difficult decision. On this short experience of the new P400 with its mild-hybrid tech, it ups the fun level even further – and the diesel is already very enjoyable. Most people will be tempted by the extra economy and lower prices of the diesel models, especially given the huge cost of the P400 Defender X. They’d be making the right decision, although this car shows the promise that an even hotter Defender might just offer in the future. ...

    Our first drive of the long-awaited new Land Rover Defender didn’t disappoint – it resulted in a full five- star rating. What surprised us most was how much fun the car was to drive – and that was the diesel-engined model. So how does the Defender do with petrol power under its square bonnet?

    Until Jaguar Land Rover’s Special Vehicle Operations division gets their hands on the Defender, this P400 model is as fast as the new car will get. It’s also as electrified as the Defender gets, too, at least until plug-in hybrid versions eventually arrive. This all-new six-cylinder petrol engine gets mild-hybrid tech to boost response, power and efficiency – slightly.

    With a 3.0-litre twin-scroll turbo, plus a 48-volt electric supercharger with a belt-integrated starter motor in place of the alternator, power tops out at 395bhp with a tasty 550Nm of torque. That equates to a 0-60mph time of 6.1 seconds.

    The on-board 48-volt lithium-ion battery feeds the whole electrical system and gets topped up as the car slows down, while also helping to reduce fuel consumption; the P400’s best claimed average of 25.2mpg isn’t too far off the diesel’s 31.7mpg.

    It’s more fun to drive, too. The throttle response is noticeably sharper – helped by the mild-hybrid system – which makes the Land Rover feel even more lively, while acceleration is accompanied by a tuneful note from the six-cylinder engine.

    There are no gearchange paddles behind the steering wheel – a deliberate decision by the engineering team that didn’t feel it was in keeping with the Defender spirit. However, the stubby gearlever can be used to manually shift through the ZF auto box’s eight ratios. Left to its own devices, changes are barely noticeable save for the slight shift in tone of the engine note.

    The tighter responses of the petrol engine make the Defender feel even more alert on the road. The monocoque body is incredibly stiff, enabling engineers to tune the car-like double-wishbone front and integral link rear suspension for a rare combination – for such a 4x4 – of off and on-road ability.

    Air suspension is standard, as are Adaptive Dynamics, which combine to not only raise the car for extreme off-roading and lower it for easier access, but also react super-swiftly when driving on tarmac.

    That means that this near two-metre-tall SUV handles more like a car than a 4x4; it stays largely flat and unflustered when cornering. The ride is pretty much unchanged from the diesel version – communicative rather than uncomfortable – while levels of grip are impressively high. The steering is surprisingly reactive; again, unusual for a 4x4.

    The only other downside to the P400 model is that, currently at least, it’s only available as a top-spec Defender X, although the car in our pictures is in SE trim. It has pretty much every option box ticked and all for a sizeable £79,655. That’s nearly £35,000 more than the Defender 110’s starting price and only a few thousand less than the cheapest Range Rover."
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    Looks like a 2-year/21,000 miles service interval in the UK:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Looks like a 2-year/21,000 miles service interval in the UK:

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    33 000km service intervals.....absolutely ridiculous. Even if the oil and filters can last that long it seems like purely a marketing ploy. Shorter service intervals is cheap insurance and will never ever be worse for an engine.
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    New Land Rover Defender: six-pot diesel spotted testing: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...potted-testing

    Land Rover continues to expand the Defender range with a new mild-hybrid 3.0-litre unit

    Just weeks after a petrol V8 Defender was caught testing near Land Rover’s base at Gaydon, our spy photographer has caught the first six-cylinder diesel test mule.

    Although the new shots only show a rear-side angle of the 4x4, the prototype’s number plate reveals the 4x4 uses a mild-hybrid 3.0-litre diesel engine.

    The first sighting follows a document leaked last year that revealed Land Rover’s intent to offer a six-pot engine as the sole diesel option for the Defender in the US market. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjf110 View Post
    33 000km service intervals.....absolutely ridiculous. Even if the oil and filters can last that long it seems like purely a marketing ploy. Shorter service intervals is cheap insurance and will never ever be worse for an engine.
    33,000km intervals will lead to crankiness after the warranty has expired methinks.
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    Is it just me or are these reviews getting a bit too much. Every second guy thinking he's a comedian or journalist has done one already.
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    Finally, some proper off-roading with a direct comparison between old & new Defender, although the driver does not seem to know what s/he's doing...

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