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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    In the same breath you could argue that a 1.4 million Defender does not impress based on the fact that for a million less you can get a Puma and fit 2 Ashcroft lockers so it has 3 diff-locks as well

    With 16inch rims and a proper sized tyre and better articulation.
    precisely

    Jeep had the foresight to offer the Wranglers with either just TC, or lockers AND TC.

    And the lockers only added around R35k to the list price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevonEllett View Post
    But no models of the previous Defender came with a rear diff lock... Why would it be such an issue with the new one? Yes it will have less articulation as the previous one, but the traction control system will more than make up for that
    The previous defender had traction control fitted for almost a decade, the new defender has nowhere near the articulation and as advanced as its traction control is it doesn't make up for it. The point being a defender should not be a compromise with regards to off-road ability, the discovery 4's (Except XS) all had the rear e-diff if Im not mistaken. There will undoubtedly be videos where a discovery does better than the new defender because of this. Its bad publicity and it breaks down the defender name land rover are so heavily relying on to sell the new discofender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    In the same breath you could argue that a 1.4 million Defender does not impress based on the fact that for a million less you can get a Puma and fit 2 Ashcroft lockers so it has 3 diff-locks as well

    With 16inch rims and a proper sized tyre and better articulation.
    Where can you buy a new Puma for R400k?
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    I was quite impressed with the Defender actually.
    Everyone knows difflocks are better than traction control, but the, the sacrifice in on-road ability, weight, and cost, makes them not worth it. And the traction control systems these days are just getting better and better.

    But you need to compare apples with apples here.
    Much of those "tests" involved tyre traction (especially the last one)

    If you going to do any serious offroading, you're going to air-down right? This test looks to have been done on normal road pressures. Standard road pressure on the new Defender loaded are in excess of 3 bar. Take 1.5 bar out of both vehicles and now suddenly the massive footprint of the Defender will have way more traction.
    Thats assuming everything in this test was above board. Maybe the G's handbrake was left on in that last test? They should have had a tug of war with appropriate offroading tyre pressures. And then with traction control, even a Range Rover could win that fight... https://youtu.be/xKg0C6g8UDg (Disclaimer: yes I know there's a lot wrong with that test also)

    And indeed, they should have used a Defender with the lockable rear diff....

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    So funny watching the guys valiantly defending this overpriced mall crawler. Really very amusing.

    Love it to bits.
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    It's even funnier seeing people who either have no intention of buying this vehicle, or maybe cannot afford to, keep slagging it because it doesn't fit in their narrow worldview or to make themselves feel better about it.

    I mean, I might be of the opinion that Porsche lost the plot when it abandoned air-cooled engines, but you don't see me going on Porsche forums and #### all over the latest 911 #dontbeadick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    I mean, I might be of the opinion that Porsche lost the plot when it abandoned air-cooled engines, but you don't see me going on Porsche forums and #### all over the latest 911
    You don't have the guts
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    You don't have the guts
    No, I just don't like behaving like a poephole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    No, I just don't like behaving like a poephole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    It's even funnier seeing people who either have no intention of buying this vehicle, or maybe cannot afford to, keep slagging it because it doesn't fit in their narrow worldview or to make themselves feel better about it.

    I mean, I might be of the opinion that Porsche lost the plot when it abandoned air-cooled engines, but you don't see me going on Porsche forums and #### all over the latest 911 #dontbeadick
    I might buy the 90 when it it is released and our Disco Sport runs out of maintenance plan.

    But thats exactly it, I see it as a replacement for our Disco Sport and not my two orginal Defenders.

    You say it is guys that can't afford it and to some degree you might be right but I also see it selling to the person who can only afford 1 car and wants a jack of all trades.

    A orginal Defender or Wrangler for the proper offroad stuff and a new Defender for the daily site visits and shopping.
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    Indeed, Byron.

    Under different circumstances, the new Defender would be an ideal one-vehicle replacement for my Puma and RRS.

    I know I can't bash it around a trail like I do with the Puma, and I know it's not going to drive as nicely as my RRS, but as an all-rounder, it's perfect for my needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
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    Love it to tits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oradba69 View Post
    Agree, comparing a car with 3 diff-locks and costing a million more to one with 1 diff-lock does not impress me much.
    Okay, then pit that R1.4m Defender against a brand new R915k JL Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubi will even kick the G-Wagen's butt on that same course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    Okay, then pit that R1.4m Defender against a brand new R915k JL Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubi will even kick the G-Wagen's butt on that same course.
    True story
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    True story
    We won't have to wait long to see; I'm sure the 'net will be abuzz with comparative videos over the next few months and many Saffers will want to compare d!cks over Baboon's, At se Gat, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    Okay, then pit that R1.4m Defender against a brand new R915k JL Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubi will even kick the G-Wagen's butt on that same course.
    Indeed.

    Now pit the Jeep and the new Defender in a head-on collision against a taxi at a closing velocity of 200kmh and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens78 View Post
    Okay, then pit that R1.4m Defender against a brand new R915k JL Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. The Rubi will even kick the G-Wagen's butt on that same course.
    No doubt the Rubicon will outperform it offroad, but then consider on road performance, handling, style etc?
    It's all about finding the right balance depending on your budget, preference, and where the vehicle will be used the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orxy View Post
    Indeed.

    Now pit the Jeep and the new Defender in a head-on collision against a taxi at a closing velocity of 200kmh and see what happens.
    The taxi will come second
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The taxi will come second
    And the Jeep 3rd
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    Quote Originally Posted by shady View Post
    No doubt the Rubicon will outperform it offroad, but then consider on road performance, handling, style etc?
    It's all about finding the right balance depending on your budget, preference, and where the vehicle will be used the most.
    Then for roughly the same price as the Defender I'll drive a new Rubi and my wife can drive a new Pajero Sport 4x4! I'm just kidding, in that video I posted they really should've used a rear locker equipped Defender, but it really should come with it as standard.
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