Surfs Up ! I Wish ! - Page 3





Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 93
  1. #41
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    But why when turning left into my driveway at almost full lock the car felt like it was being held back, but the Wheel was not touching the Wheel Arch ?

  2. #42
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    the problem is that a slip joint along the steering column, (which is designed to collapse during a front end collision), develops a small amount of play over time. Toyota has never done a recall for this issue, so it's probably safe to say that the slip joint won't actually come completely loose to the point that you cannot steer the truck. The upper steering assembly can be replaced completely, but many people who have done this report having the problem come back after some time.

    But... why when turning left into my driveway at almost at full lock, the car felt like it was being held back, but the Wheel was not touching the Wheel Arch ?

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by branyster View Post
    But why would Toyota design the loose slip joint on the Steering ? There must be a reason ? Or is the Part just warn out ?
    From what I read it gets like that after a while. As you said, the sleeve design is apparently meant to facilitate the column collapsing easily in case of impact. Doing a spot weld should stop the rattle and still it would break easily enough with the impact force.
    The Tacoma article explains it quite well.

    I have not done this modification as I don't think I would be able to put it all back together afterwards.

    I live with that rattle as I only feel it on uneven surfaces. Also, my surf is 23 years old with high mileage, many of those miles done in Africa: it has so many little body rattles and vibrations, the steering one does not bother me too much.

    The stiffness you feel on full lock , also, is not uncommon, even when the tyres are not touching the wheel arch. I felt it on my old Prado too.
    As long as your TIE ROD ENDS (inner and outer), UPPER AND LOWER BALL JOINTS ( very important, as another member pointed out, the lower ones just snap if worn), STEERING RACK BUSHES, ARB LINKS and BUSHES are ok, then you are good to go.

    These are old cars and they are quite noisy and rattly.

    Lastly, make sure your viscous fan is 100%, I would in fact assume that it's never been replaced and get a new one from Roughtrax, the Aisin one. Flush the cooling system and refill with the red Toyota coolant. Radiator must be 100% too. The cooling can be a weakness on these KZ-TE engines, especially the non-intercooled ones, so all the components must be in good working conditions to avoid overheating.

    Cheers
    Last edited by tashtego9; 2018/10/02 at 10:12 AM.

  4. #44
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Hi Tashtego9, Thanks for the information / advice, all very useful. I also have a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado 90 Series, A much better Car, but now I am getting paranoid about it's Steering Too ! hahaha But I've had that car for 15 years and it's been Brilliant. I keep it well maintained and serviced too.
    Last edited by branyster; 2018/10/02 at 10:35 AM.

  5. #45
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Well this is bizarre ! Today while Taking Car out of 4x4 mode has allowed the steering at full lock to work easier ! ?

    I have a day off today (Monday) and took the Surf back to D&G 4x4. They were the good people who fitted the new Power Steering Rack Mounting Bush Kit and Drop Link Anti Roll Bar & Bushes for the Front which needed doing urgently.

    Today, I wanted them to look at more of the Forum's suggestions. IE the TIE ROD ENDS (inner and outer), UPPER AND LOWER BALL JOINTS as these are very important, as another member pointed out, the lower ones just snap if worn.

    But Geoff is away from the Shop this week.

    What on Earth is going on with this TOYOTA !

    Regards
    Nick Branson

  6. #46
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    "Hello Nick, reading that first line about four wheel drive the Surf has part time four wheel drive and is not meant to be permanent and only used on slippery surfaces. Forgive me if I've read it wrong but driving on normal roads in four wheel drive will affect steering and cause untold damage to the steering and transmission."

    YIKES !


    I had left it in 4x4 mode due to the day before the rear wheels span in the rain.
    So, How can I check if the car has sustained Steering and transmission damage ? As mentioned previously I've only recently bought the Car.

  7. #47
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    George
    Posts
    2,752
    Thanked: 1011

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    I doubt you would have damaged it in that small amount of time.

  8. #48
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Plus you Surf should have the multimode 4x4, center diff, it can be kept in 4x4 for road driving . Most 1996 surfs have it , only a few late 1995 models don't, as far as I remember. You will feel it on full lock.

    Your Prado 90 is the same as the 3rd Gen Surf as far as suspension, steering , chassis and engine are concerned. It's only the body panels that are different.

    If the previous owner has not done the Lower ball joints you better do them, it's a 22 years old vehicle. I personally don't think you can reliably test that sort of ball joint on the vehicle, you need to remove it to check play properly. And once it's removed you might as well fit new ones. Interestingly Toyota changed that type lower ball joint, so the Gen 4 Surf and the 120 Prado have a different design ball joint altogether.


    Cheers
    Last edited by tashtego9; 2018/10/09 at 09:00 AM.

  9. #49
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Thanks for the advice, I will get the Toyota Ball Joints parts ordered. Do you think I need to replace the Steering Rack ?
    I feel there are a few issues with the Toyota Hilux Surf 4Ruuner. I guess it's just a case of replacing the Parts until all issues are resolved.

    1.) I've Bought and Replaced the "STEERING RACK BUSHES, ARB LINKS and BUSHES"
    https://www.milneroffroad.com/toyota...-rack-bush-kit

    2.) Loose Slip joint on the Steering column.
    The problem is that a slip joint along the steering column, (which is designed to collapse during a front end collision), develops a small amount of play over time. Toyota has never done a recall for this issue, so it's probably safe to say that the slip joint won't actually come completely loose to the point that you cannot steer the car. The upper steering assembly can be replaced completely, but many people who have done this report having the problem come back after some time.


    3.) The stiffness on full lock, also, is not uncommon, even when the tyres are not touching the wheel arch. I felt it on my old Prado too.

    As long as your TIE ROD ENDS (inner and outer), UPPER AND LOWER BALL JOINTS ( very important, as another member pointed out, the lower ones just snap if worn), STEERING RACK BUSHES, ARB LINKS and BUSHES are ok, then you are good to go.

    Regards,
    Nick

  10. #50
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Both Roughtrax and Milner sell the full steering rack,but if you are happy that replacing the bushes has improved the ride then I wouldn't worry . Unless the rack is leaking steering fluid it's fine.
    I don't know if I have mentioned the cooling system , it's very important for the kz-te engine . Radiator ,water pump and the viscous fan must be 100%. The chances are that the viscous coupling has run out of oil, your surf being 22 years old. Unless it was done by the previous owner.


    Cheers

  11. #51
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    I am sure the Surf and my Land Cruiser Prado which I've owned for 15 years are running their original FANS.

    I also heard a clunk from front left steering when parking yesterday (Monday) Moving the small gear lever out of 4x4 drive yesterday took some time to do. While in Park, I did hear noises and whinning... But I eventually got it back into 2 wheel drive and the Steering was smoother / easier including full lock...

    I do also hear a vibration pulling away, but I've No idea what that noise is.... drive shaft ? Gearbox ?

    I think I've bought a wrongun with this Surf !

    Regards
    Nick

  12. #52
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    Both Roughtrax and Milner sell the full steering rack,but if you are happy that replacing the bushes has improved the ride then I wouldn't worry . Unless the rack is leaking steering fluid it's fine.
    I don't know if I have mentioned the cooling system , it's very important for the kz-te engine . Radiator ,water pump and the viscous fan must be 100%. The chances are that the viscous coupling has run out of oil, your surf being 22 years old. Unless it was done by the previous owner.


    Cheers
    Which Fan do I need to buy ?

  13. #53
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    De Wildt
    Age
    57
    Posts
    34,914
    Thanked: 10041

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by branyster View Post

    I think I've bought a wrongun with this Surf !

    Regards
    Nick
    Yep, get rid of it. Sounds like the UK mechanics have gone the same way as ours: parts fitters, nothing more.
    2012 Jeep Sahara Unlimited 3.6 V6
    Percivamus

  14. #54
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by branyster View Post
    Which Fan do I need to buy ?
    This is the viscous coupling you need. It drives the bladed fan, which you won't need to change.

    https://www.roughtrax4x4.com/aisin-v...210-67030.html

    It is quite hard to diagnose these vibrations and clunks without being there. Unfortunately, as Jelo says, these days few mechanics have the patience and the know-how to find a fault, they want to fit parts and give you the invoice. Minor services is what they are great at...

    My suspension, once the tie rod ends and all the steering rack bushes were done, has gone fairly smooth and quiet. The lower arm bushes are also prone to perishing in the long run. These have a metal housing and rubber inside. The camber adjuster pin and nut fit into these. Due to corrosion and rust, especially on winter UK roads (salt etc), they tend to seize into the bush. Normally what happens is that you go to a tyre place and they tell you that they cannot do camber as the pins have seized solid.
    However this is getting a little technical and I would be cautious before throwing a lot of money at this surf, given its age, and given the prices that UK mechanics charge per hour.

    The 4x4 issue: you should be able to engage AWD by pressing the little button on the transfer case lever (short lever). You then move the lever if you want to move between Low range, High range or Lock the centre diff.

    If yours does not have the button, it means it is an earlier version with the more traditional 4x4, no AWD. So you should never engage 4x4 on tar roads.

    Cheers

  15. #55
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Yes, the small gear lever has the AWD button. Geoff at D&G 4x4 Specialists in Leicester has been great and he really knows his stuff, I have every confidence in him and being an engineer he will get to the bottom of theses gremlins. These good people are becoming hard to find. I wont stop now until these issues are fixed.

  16. #56
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Geoff at D&G 4x4 Specialist is on holiday. I've prepared a checklist of things I want looking at. Can anyone think of anything else I may have missed ? Thanks in advance


    Mechanical Checks on Toyota Surf

    1 Steering Rack □ □
    2 Steering Rack Bushes □ √
    3 Front Anti-Roll Bar Bushes □ √
    4 Rear Anti-Roll Bar Bushes √ □
    5 Tie Rod Ends □ □
    6 Ball Joint Front Lower LH □ □
    7 Ball Joint Front Lower RH □ □
    8 Ball Joint Front Upper LH □ □
    9 Ball Joint Front Upper RH □ □
    10 Wheel Bearings □ □
    11 Front Differential □ □
    12 Rear Differential □ □
    13 Driveline □ □
    14 Engine Mounts □ □
    15 Gearbox Mounts □ □


    Loose Slip joint on the Steering column. (Known Issue) will require welding to resolve.

    Vibration when engaging the Auto box into Drive position (needs investigating)

    I heard a clunk from front left steering when parking one Monday. (needs investigating)

    Moving the small gear lever out of 4x4 drive took some time to do. While in Park, I did hear noises and whining, but I eventually got it back into 2 wheel drive and the Steering was smoother / easier including full lock ?? Strange…
    Last edited by branyster; 2018/10/16 at 02:12 PM.

  17. #57
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    The diffs probably just want the oil replacing , if it hasn't been done before.
    Rear diff is limited slip on many 3rd gen surfs, it should have a little sticker saying LSD on the side of the diff casing. If so buy LSD oil, Roughtrax do it.

    The autogearbox mount was worn on mine and I replaced it,it's a Toyota only part , and expensive at that. It's a great big metal thing with a rubber core.

    The 4WD mechanism is lazy on these , the motor needs to be used every now and then so it dsnt get stiff.
    Once engaged the wheels should go orange on your dash 4x4 display. When you disengage they will flash for a while before they go off,sometimes it can take a km or so of driving before you hear the disengage 'clunk'.

    Don't forget the viscous fan, check with previous owner if it was done or not . RT sell them .

    Good luck!

  18. #58
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by tashtego9 View Post
    The diffs probably just want the oil replacing , if it hasn't been done before.
    Rear diff is limited slip on many 3rd gen surfs, it should have a little sticker saying LSD on the side of the diff casing. If so buy LSD oil, Roughtrax do it.

    The autogearbox mount was worn on mine and I replaced it,it's a Toyota only part , and expensive at that. It's a great big metal thing with a rubber core.

    The 4WD mechanism is lazy on these , the motor needs to be used every now and then so it dsnt get stiff.
    Once engaged the wheels should go orange on your dash 4x4 display. When you disengage they will flash for a while before they go off,sometimes it can take a km or so of driving before you hear the disengage 'clunk'.

    Don't forget the viscous fan, check with previous owner if it was done or not . RT sell them .

    Good luck!
    The small 4WD gear lever can be pushed up or down or left in Neutral (i think) So with the Auto Box in Park, how do I engage 4 wheel drive? Just by pushing in the AWD button on the small gear lever ?

    The Vibration from the Auto box is getting on my nerves too !

  19. #59
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Location
    Leicester
    Age
    52
    Posts
    52
    Thanked: 0

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !


  20. #60
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Malawi
    Posts
    931
    Thanked: 891

    Default Re: Surfs Up ! I Wish !

    Quote Originally Posted by branyster View Post
    That is the right part, sorry I didn't realise Milner sell it, I bought it from Toyota...

    It was worn on my surf, allowing a lot of play. I don't know if it is the cause of your problems. IF it is , than that is the right part.

Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •