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    My dogter sÍ daar was iets. Sy weet nie wat nie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
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    One of my friends lost his gym partner in that explosion. There’s some consolation that the end must have been sudden and painless for those involved, but it’s a still a tragic accident.
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    What do they do at that facility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    What do they do at that facility?
    For many years, dynamite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    What do they do at that facility?
    Manufacture smallarms and rocket propellant for the civil and military market.
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    http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...try&Itemid=116

    I believe the propellant plant is practically totally destroyed.

    For more info re RDM see:

    The RDM product portfolio encompasses:
    • Artillery ammunition (105mm and 155mm)
    • Mortar ammunition (60, 81 and 120mm)
    • Missile subsystems (propulsion units, warheads, etc)
    • Minefield breaching systems
    • Ammunition for naval applications
    • 40mm infantry ammunition and pyrotechnics
    • Propellants and raw materials
    • Ammunition and metal components
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Manufacture small arms and rocket propellant for the civil and military market.
    And a bit more: explosive stuff as well. Of the small kind. For the mining industry as well.

    The AECI / Sonchem factory, which was closed in Paardevlei (roughly about 5km south-east from it), produced most of the ingredients for that, and it was shuffled back and forth (train wagons) between AECI/Sonchem and Denel/Rheinmetall in the 1980's and 1990's.

    After ACEI/Sonchem closed, they moved the majority of manufacturing for it across to Rheinmetal.

    Most of the factories are still there, now being used as offices and/or restaurant. Triggerfish Breweries (known for its large choice of craft beer) are in one of these buildings.

    And my offices is right opposite them, so I should know bit of the history of the area. Plus friend of mine was in Denel, from whom I also learned this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duncang View Post
    For many years, dynamite.
    Sorry, wrong. They never made dynamite, AECI next door did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GroenHoender View Post
    And a bit more: explosive stuff as well. Of the small kind. For the mining industry as well.

    The AECI / Sonchem factory, which was closed in Paardevlei (roughly about 5km south-east from it), produced most of the ingredients for that, and it was shuffled back and forth (train wagons) between AECI/Sonchem and Denel/Rheinmetall in the 1980's and 1990's.

    After ACEI/Sonchem closed, they moved the majority of manufacturing for it across to Rheinmetal.

    Most of the factories are still there, now being used as offices and/or restaurant. Triggerfish Breweries (known for its large choice of craft beer) are in one of these buildings.

    And my offices is right opposite them, so I should know bit of the history of the area. Plus friend of mine was in Denel, from whom I also learned this.
    Yes and no.
    AECI manufactured nitroglycerine, and thus dynamite. Somchem purchased nitroglycerine from AECI to be used in double, and triple base propellants. They also made rocket propellant up to the size of the RSA rockets. All the base constituents for propellants and explosives like Nitrocellulose, TNT and RDX was made there too until 1981 when they opened the factory on the farm Druiwevallei near Hermon, moving the manufacturing of NC, NG, RDX and TNT there. The list of products PieterOos gave is for the whole RMD Munitions complex of plants spread across the country, not specific to the Somerset West plant.
    And yes, Triggerfish is indeed in one of the old AECI buildings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterOos View Post
    http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...try&Itemid=116

    I believe the propellant plant is practically totally destroyed.

    For more info re RDM see:
    From information from relatives and friends of the guy I mentioned, my understanding is that most of the deceased were blown to pieces and the building just about leveled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Slabbert View Post
    From information from relatives and friends of the guy I mentioned, my understanding is that most of the deceased were blown to pieces and the building just about leveled.
    Correct. And the blast walls around the building was also severely damaged - the walls did their job by keeping the blast and shock waves from damaging neighboring buildings.
    In a blast like that you are effectively incinerated immediately as the temperature can reach 2000 degrees in a split second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoT View Post
    Correct. And the blast walls around the building was also severely damaged - the walls did their job by keeping the blast and shock waves from damaging neighboring buildings.
    In a blast like that you are effectively incinerated immediately as the temperature can reach 2000 degrees in a split second.
    Respect to the deceased and condolences to their loved ones, but if I could choose a way to go, this would be high on my list. I don't want to see it coming, and it must be over in a split second.

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    Turns out it was Nitrocellulose, eish, thatís pretty explosive stuff.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitr...se?wprov=sfti1

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    I would hazard a guess that Gun Cotton is one of the milder propellants they make there.
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    Just to clear up a misconception, nitrocellulose is NOT an explosive, but the main ingredient in just about all propellants, and is found in many older paints too. It goes wooop, when ignited, not bang. ;-) The wooop is however very fast, so might be heard as a bang, specially when contained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Just to clear up a misconception, nitrocellulose is NOT an explosive, but the main ingredient in just about all propellants, and is found in many older paints too. It goes wooop, when ignited, not bang. ;-) The wooop is however very fast, so might be heard as a bang, specially when contained.

    still being widely used in paints

    I have 20kg's of two variants of alcohol damped NC at work used in trial batches
    at my previous employer we kept a bit more but was told we were not permitted to warehouse more than 500kg at a time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Just to clear up a misconception, nitrocellulose is NOT an explosive, but the main ingredient in just about all propellants, and is found in many older paints too. It goes wooop, when ignited, not bang. ;-) The wooop is however very fast, so might be heard as a bang, specially when contained.
    True that, it's not quite dynamite, but still something I would not want to be around when it goes "whoop".

    Even seemingly harmless substances can provide lethal explosions when the conditions are right. Or wrong, depending...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

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    still being widely used in paints

    I have 20kg's of two variants of alcohol damped NC at work used in trial batches
    at my previous employer we kept a bit more but was told we were not permitted to warehouse more than 500kg at a time
    I wonder what quantity was involved in this accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Slabbert View Post
    I wonder what quantity was involved in this accident.
    It wouldn't need to be a lot. All depends on the structures they were working in, and how many people were in there and their proximity when it went off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johan slabbert View Post
    true that, it's not quite dynamite, but still something i would not want to be around when it goes "whoop".

    Even seemingly harmless substances can provide lethal explosions when the conditions are right. Or wrong, depending...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dust_explosion



    i wonder what quantity was involved in this accident.
    i have read somewhere it was 600 kg that were involved
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