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    Default Scary recovery - think Bots Pans

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8trkgFX6wI

    Scary how easily things can go SERIOUSLT wrong!!
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    Default Re: Scary recovery - think Bots Pans

    Hi Peter;

    This is the oaks that play around in the Aussie Outback - not in Botswana.

    But again an example of what can very easily happen if you do not pay attention during a "simple" recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinj View Post
    Hi Peter;

    This is the oaks that play around in the Aussie Outback - not in Botswana.

    But again an example of what can very easily happen if you do not pay attention during a "simple" recovery.
    Oh you misunderstand my comment.
    I KNOW it is not in Bots - but a similar problem there with the relatively thin hard crust over the bottomless mud underneath!
    At least we don't have the incoming tide to worry about - but if the vehicle slowly sinks through the crust I guess the result is the same or worse.
    Answering the call of the wild is just so much beter than answering the telephone.
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    "There is not a mark on it"

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    Was in australia. Def not botswana
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    Frightening how easily that Cruiser just fell onto its side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete View Post
    Frightening how easily that Cruiser just fell onto its side.
    Not really, that thing is packed to the hilt, and high, the ground was off camber, and he was not pulling straight. The strap and the off camber both pulling that LC in the same direction.

    They were getting desperate, and things just got the best of them. I think we have all been there. I did some stoopid stuff the day I ended up nipple deep in a river. Only when I was standing on the bullbar hanging into engine bay, I realised the recovery strap was hooked around the cross bar of the bullbar instead of the recovery point. To be honest, I can't remember who attached what, I just saw a F250 on the bank, my son swam out his window, I was also through my window and standing on the bonnet at one stage, and the next moment I was on dry land.

    I suppose it does not matter how much experience you think you have, sometime or another, a situation will come along that will overwhelm you.
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    Yes I agree, thinking how loaded that poor cruiser was. A combination of factors and you are in big trouble.
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    Take it from a guy who has been stuck on the Sau Pan in Botswana..
    Not fun if you're not well prepared. Yes, I know, Rookie mistake.

    We got stuck on the Sau pan back in 2016.
    Took us over 8 hours to get all the vehicles out.
    We were all pretty new to the whole Botswana scene, and pretty fresh into the whole overlanding game. Entertaining game I might add.
    We attempted to drive via the Sau Pan from Lekhubu Island to Nata via the A32.
    Needless to say. DONT.... If you have a winch(we didnt) and some mad recovery skills, maybe. Otherwise. I repeat.... DONT.
    Or atleast get more information about the Pans condition from more than one source, and not the local guide that sits in a office that probably has never even seen the place!

    But we survived, had a crap ton of fun, learned alot!!!!! and I will probably attempt it again... One day....
    For this sunset, it was well worth it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1949 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8trkgFX6wI

    Scary how easily things can go SERIOUSLT wrong!!

    Real stupid recovery against all basic rules of physics.

    Got out of Chobe mud more than once with Prado and without help of another vehicle.

    1. Stop wheels turning instantly when you observe you are "on end of track". Avoid spinning that body does not rest on mud
    2. Take shovel and clear tracks behind all wheels, since there is no way forward
    3. Take your firewood and fill tracks backward both on front and rear wheels
    3. Start reversing out to a dry or stable spot that you select before reversing.
    Heavy work, duration 2 hours.
    Better and less destructive than what those stupid guys present here in Australia. They just f...k up material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johan65 View Post
    Was in australia. Def not botswana
    As replied to martinJ, above:

    Oh you misunderstand my comment.
    I KNOW it is not in Bots - but a similar problem there with the relatively thin hard crust over the bottomless mud underneath!
    At least we don't have the incoming tide to worry about - but if the vehicle slowly sinks through the crust I guess the result is the same or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1949 View Post
    As replied to martinJ, above:

    Oh you misunderstand my comment.
    I KNOW it is not in Bots - but a similar problem there with the relatively thin hard crust over the bottomless mud underneath!
    At least we don't have the incoming tide to worry about - but if the vehicle slowly sinks through the crust I guess the result is the same or worse.

    Def not in Botswana , Australia




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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajo View Post
    Real stupid recovery against all basic rules of physics.

    Got out of Chobe mud more than once with Prado and without help of another vehicle.

    1. Stop wheels turning instantly when you observe you are "on end of track". Avoid spinning that body does not rest on mud
    2. Take shovel and clear tracks behind all wheels, since there is no way forward
    3. Take your firewood and fill tracks backward both on front and rear wheels
    3. Start reversing out to a dry or stable spot that you select before reversing.
    Heavy work, duration 2 hours.
    Better and less destructive than what those stupid guys present here in Australia. They just f...k up material.

    I thought it was an excellent "how not to" training video . . . but I would rather take your excellent advice! The critical first point you make is not to spin yourself deeper; but you have to very observant and disciplined to get the timing right.
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    Maybe a bit of knowledge about geography + common sense would have helped.

    Look at the still from the video:

    1. The terrain is virtually flat.
    2. The 'soil' is (permeable) sandy silt.
    3. There is no well-defined water-course, so logic says the water table is just below the surface -> everything is wet to the point of saturation.


    It does not take a rocket-scientist to realise they could (and would) break through the surface into the saturated sandy silt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eTouareg View Post
    Maybe a bit of knowledge about geography + common sense would have helped.

    Look at the still from the video:

    1. The terrain is virtually flat.
    2. The 'soil' is (permeable) sandy silt.
    3. There is no well-defined water-course, so logic says the water table is just below the surface -> everything is wet to the point of saturation.


    It does not take a rocket-scientist to realise they could (and would) break through the surface into the saturated sandy silt.
    I recall the guys saying that they had been across many times on the day and successfully so. The incoming tide may have triggered the softening conditions. Will watch again. Quite good fun and learning experience though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eTouareg View Post
    Maybe a bit of knowledge about geography + common sense would have helped.

    Look at the still from the video:

    1. The terrain is virtually flat.
    2. The 'soil' is (permeable) sandy silt.
    3. There is no well-defined water-course, so logic says the water table is just below the surface -> everything is wet to the point of saturation.


    It does not take a rocket-scientist to realise they could (and would) break through the surface into the saturated sandy silt.

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    Thanks for the wishes. I do not often take part in comments but this story is typical of what gives 4x4 travellers in our neighbouring countries such a bad name and partly the reason why we now have to go on guided trips through Chobi, Savuti ect. I find it a great shame that people can mess up natural beautiful places like that. Shame on you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoyot View Post
    Thanks for the wishes. I do not often take part in comments but this story is typical of what gives 4x4 travellers in our neighbouring countries such a bad name and partly the reason why we now have to go on guided trips through Chobi, Savuti ect. I find it a great shame that people can mess up natural beautiful places like that. Shame on you
    Ja . Bloody aussies..... how dare they get stuck in their own country.....

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