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    Default WJ Torque Converter Clutch not engaging.

    Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 HO (5-45rfe Transmission)

    About 2 years ago I noticed that my torque converter clutch (TCC) only locks up after about 25 minutes of highway driving. A few weeks later I took a trip to the Eastern Cape and while slowly accelerating up a long hill the Check Engine Light came on with a fault code P0700. Using my OBDII wireless scanner together with my phone I was able to get the more detailed code of P0740 (Torque Con Clu No RPM Drop at Lockup; Relationship between engine and vehicle speeds indicated failure of torque converter clutch lock-up system (TCC/PTU sol), this test apparently is only done by the TCM in 3rd gear) I immediately reset the fault code and it never resurfaced, until recently.

    Back home I did some reading and found a plethora of possible causes from online forums. Starting with the simple and easy fixes I have done the following:

    June 2016. Input speed sensor (no change)

    July 2016. Output speed sensor (no change)

    July 2017. Developed a hard shifting between 2nd and 3rd (both up and down shifting) and the MIL with P0700 came back.

    August 2017. Oil and filter change plus replaced the Line Pressure Sensor. (fixed the hard shifting), at this service I was told that the TCM stored a Trans Over Temp fault, however the Trans Over Temp warning light never came on. The old line pressure sensor's tip was bent, maybe due to high temps?

    April 2018. Over the past two years my fuel economy slowly deteriorated and my engine was loosing power. Took the Jeep to Anton Slabbert at APS in Stikland who diagnosed it with a blocked fuel filter. APS was hopeful that the poor torque from the engine due to fuel starvation might also be the reason for no lock-up on the TCC. Power restored with new filter, but unfortunately no TCC lock up.

    Other possible causes according to the internet:

    Worn TCC plates. (Doubtful)
    Faulty TCC solenoid. (Doubtful)
    Low fluid pressure due to a faulty pressure regulator pump.
    Transmission Temperature sensor. (How would I test for this)
    Throttle Position Sensor.
    Brake Pedal Switch.
    Alternator noise.
    Severe engine misfire. (I do seem to have a slight misfire)

    Recently drove to Malmesbury and achieved full lock up after about 30 minutes. On my way back the MIL came back on a long uphill and the shifting between 2nd and 3rd is getting harder/rougher. Maybe the Trans overheated again and damaged the Line Pressure Sensor, which could point to a faulty Trans Temp Sensor?

    So now I ask for the collective knowledge of this forum to come together and help me fix this problem.
    Last edited by groenconrad; 2018/06/19 at 07:58 PM.
    Conrad Groenewald

    2007 WK 3.0 CRD Overland
    2002 WJ 4.7 HO Overland (Dropped valve seat - open to suggestions)
    Unimog 416 Doka

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    Default Re: WJ Torque Converter Clutch not engaging.

    The following is from the workshop manual.

    TORQUE CONVERTER CLUTCH (TCC)
    The TCC (Fig. 114) was installed to improve the
    efficiency of the torque converter that is lost to the
    slippage of the fluid coupling. Although the fluid coupling
    provides smooth, shock-free power transfer, it is
    natural for all fluid couplings to slip. If the impeller
    and turbine were mechanically locked together, a
    zero slippage condition could be obtained. A hydraulic
    piston with friction material was added to the turbine
    assembly to provide this mechanical lock-up.
    In order to reduce heat build-up in the transmission
    and buffer the powertrain against torsional
    vibrations, the TCM can duty cycle the L/R-CC Solenoid
    to achieve a smooth application of the torque
    converter clutch. This function, referred to as Electronically
    Modulated Converter Clutch (EMCC) can
    occur at various times depending on the following
    variables:
    † Shift lever position
    † Current gear range
    † Transmission fluid temperature

    † Engine coolant temperature
    † Input speed
    † Engine speed

    TORQUE CONVERTER CLUTCH (TCC)
    In a standard torque converter, the impeller and
    turbine are rotating at about the same speed and the
    stator is freewheeling, providing no torque multiplication.
    By applying the turbine’s piston and friction
    material to the front cover, a total converter engagement
    can be obtained. The result of this engagement
    is a direct 1:1 mechanical link between the engine
    and the transmission.
    The clutch can be engaged in second, third, fourth,
    and fifth gear ranges depending on overdrive control
    switch position. If the overdrive control switch is in
    the normal ON position, the clutch will engage after
    the shift to fourth gear, and above approximately 72
    km/h (45 mph). If the control switch is in the OFF
    position, the clutch will engage after the shift to
    third gear, at approximately 56 km/h (35 mph) at
    light throttle.
    The TCM controls the torque converter by way of
    internal logic software. The programming of the software
    provides the TCM with control over the L/R-CC
    Solenoid. There are four output logic states that can
    be applied as follows:
    † No EMCC
    † Partial EMCC
    † Full EMCC
    † Gradual-to-no EMCC
    NO EMCC
    Under No EMCC conditions, the L/R Solenoid is
    OFF. There are several conditions that can result in
    NO EMCC operations. No EMCC can be initiated
    due to a fault in the transmission or because the
    TCM does not see the need for EMCC under current
    driving conditions.
    PARTIAL EMCC
    Partial EMCC operation modulates the L/R Solenoid
    (duty cycle) to obtain partial torque converter
    clutch application. Partial EMCC operation is maintained
    until Full EMCC is called for and actuated.
    During Partial EMCC some slip does occur. Partial
    EMCC will usually occur at low speeds, low load and
    light throttle situations.
    FULL EMCC
    During Full EMCC operation, the TCM increases
    the L/R Solenoid duty cycle to full ON after Partial
    EMCC control brings the engine speed within the
    desired slip range of transmission input speed relative
    to engine rpm.
    GRADUAL-TO-NO EMCC
    This operation is to soften the change from Full or
    Partial EMCC to No EMCC. This is done at midthrottle
    by decreasing the L/R Solenoid duty cycle.
    Conrad Groenewald

    2007 WK 3.0 CRD Overland
    2002 WJ 4.7 HO Overland (Dropped valve seat - open to suggestions)
    Unimog 416 Doka

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