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    Default Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    Quack, Trebla, Nys and any other Amarok fundies,

    I read on various sources (User manual, VW Commercial, this Forum) about the Amarok offroad settings which is not always clear to me and sometimes even contradicting statements.
    I am making several statements below, some with question marks where I am unsure. Please correct me where I am incorrect.
    Soft Sand/Dunes conditions only.

    1. NORMAL mode, NO buttons depressed:
    1.1 FRONT:
    Open Diff.
    Brakes van be activated by TCS = ASR (Traction Control System) to keep wheel speeds L-R the same,
    and ESC = ESP (Electronic Stability Control) to control wheel speed under swerving/unstable conditions.
    ESC can also reduce engine power under certain conditions.
    1.2 CENTRE:
    The centre diff operates like a limited slip diff.
    Locked diff would have resulted in drive shaft winding up on paved roads.
    Multi-plate diff with special oil to limit speed difference between front and rear drive shafts ??
    1.3 REAR:
    Open Diff.
    Wheel control similar to Front wheels as above in 1.1.

    2. OFF-ROAD MODE depressed/ON only:
    2.1 ABS in Off-Road Mode:
    Wheels locked for slightly longer times to form small sand/gravel wall in front of wheels.
    2.2 Hill Descent Control ON:
    Limits speed on down hills by activating the brakes.
    2.3 Gear changes at higher revs.
    2.4 TCS and ESC activated at higher speeds.

    3. ESC depressed only (small swerving car):
    3.1 According to user manual ESC is OFF when this button is depressed, which for me means NO brake activation and NO engine power limitation for unstable conditions ??

    4. DIFF LOCK REAR depressed/ON only:
    4.1 Rear Diff is locked and rear wheels rotate at the same speed.
    4.2 NO brake activation on rear wheels.
    4.3 TCS on front wheels still active by activating the front brakes to control L-R wheel speeds??
    4.4 No ABS.

    5. ESC and DIFF LOCK REAR both depressed:
    5.1 As in 3+4 above with only control of front brakes and NO engine power limitation ??
    5.2 Off-Road Mode activation NOT necessary for sand/dune driving ??

    6. Quack's procedure with Hazard lights and depressing Accelerator 5 times:
    6.1 According to him engine power is not limited.
    6.2 Is it still necessary to switch on Diff Lock ??
    6.3 Is ESC still ON ??
    6.4 With ESC Off, engine power is not limited as in 3 above; so why this procedure ??


    I hope this is clear enough ??
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    Default Re: Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    You are over thinking it

    Tar, just drive, no buttons pressed

    Anything but tar, offroad button on

    Oorkruis gate difflock on

    When you want to be windgat and spin some wheels, esp off

    When you really want to set a landspeed record and want everything possible on a 3km long dune, my procedure
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    Clear as mud. Klim in en ry. As jy grondpad kry offroad button. Sand esp off
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    We have another Amarok expert training day on 12 May at Sandwani. We will focus on the Amarok in detail and all these questions/statments will be answered.

    But to add in short.
    Tar: Don't press any buttons
    Gravel: Press off road mode (always!)
    4x4 trail: Press off road mode and ASR (use diff lock if you need it)
    Sand: Press off road mode and ASR, also select S (special) on the gearbox.

    I have not tested the ESP complete off yet, but will do so this weekend (in my Manual).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla View Post
    We have another Amarok expert training day on 12 May at Sandwani. We will focus on the Amarok in detail and all these questions/statments will be answered.

    But to add in short.
    Tar: Don't press any buttons
    Gravel: Press off road mode (always!)
    4x4 trail: Press off road mode and ASR (use diff lock if you need it)
    Sand: Press off road mode and ASR, also select S (special) on the gearbox.

    I have not tested the ESP complete off yet, but will do so this weekend (in my Manual).
    Id-10-t's guide... Thanks.

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    Default Re: Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    Hi Herman

    I'll comment on your explanation below on what I know. Off course open to correction if someone has better knowledge or understanding.
    I have a manual amarok so there might be differences...


    Quote Originally Posted by hermanm10 View Post
    Quack, Trebla, Nys and any other Amarok fundies,

    I read on various sources (User manual, VW Commercial, this Forum) about the Amarok offroad settings which is not always clear to me and sometimes even contradicting statements.
    I am making several statements below, some with question marks where I am unsure. Please correct me where I am incorrect.
    Soft Sand/Dunes conditions only.

    1. NORMAL mode, NO buttons depressed:
    1.1 FRONT:
    Open Diff.
    Brakes van be activated by TCS = ASR (Traction Control System) to keep wheel speeds L-R the same,t the normal traction control and EDL function is not exactly the same. with the normal traction control it will redistribute power to the other wheels by braking the ones that's spinning. With the EDL function it will try and keep the wheel speeds exactly the same on the axle. I'm not sure as to how it decides when to use which. I think it has to do with the resistance of the spinning wheels. So it will pick up how much engine power is needed to spin the wheels and then decide which one to use... not sure though just a guess.
    and ESC = ESP (Electronic Stability Control) to control wheel speed under swerving/unstable conditions. also uses brakes on wheels to correct the rotation on the vehicle, not just for slipping wheels
    ESC can also reduce engine power under certain conditions.
    1.2 CENTRE:
    The centre diff operates like a limited slip diff.
    Locked diff would have resulted in drive shaft winding up on paved roads.
    Multi-plate diff with special oil to limit speed difference between front and rear drive shafts ??no it's a torsen differential. No plates. The internals work on a worm gear principle to limit slip.
    1.3 REAR:
    Open Diff.
    Wheel control similar to Front wheels as above in 1.1.

    2. OFF-ROAD MODE depressed/ON only:
    2.1 ABS in Off-Road Mode:
    Wheels locked for slightly longer times to form small sand/gravel wall in front of wheels.
    2.2 Hill Descent Control ON:
    Limits speed on down hills by activating the brakes only active below 30km/h. will also keep it in gear and not gear down.
    2.3 Gear changes at higher revs.
    2.4 TCS and ESC activated at higher speeds Rather the limits on the stability control program is relaxed somewhat to allow for some "sliding" witch is normal on gravel and doesn't necceraly mean the vehicle is out of control like on tar.

    3. ESC depressed only (small swerving car):
    3.1 According to user manual ESC is OFF when this button is depressed, which for me means NO brake activation and NO engine power limitation for unstable conditions ??t According to my knowledge and experience (on a manual) it's not completely off. engine power cut function is off but stability program will still kick in if you really lose it. Traction control and EDC is not off as it's functions of the 4x4 tranction control system. So brake activation will still happen for stability reasons but very late. For the rest the brake activation for EDC and tractions control will still work.

    4. DIFF LOCK REAR depressed/ON only:
    4.1 Rear Diff is locked and rear wheels rotate at the same speed.
    4.2 NO brake activation on rear wheels.
    4.3 TCS on front wheels still active by activating the front brakes to control L-R wheel speeds. I'm not sure about this one but I think when diff lock is on you also loose traction control and EDL functions on the fron axle. Hence you will sometimes get further with the diff lock off than having it on.
    4.4 No ABS.

    5. ESC and DIFF LOCK REAR both depressed:
    5.1 As in 3+4 above with only control of front brakes and NO engine power limitation ??
    5.2 Off-Road Mode activation NOT necessary for sand/dune driving ??

    6. Quack's procedure with Hazard lights and depressing Accelerator 5 times: dont know this procedure yet...
    6.1 According to him engine power is not limited.
    6.2 Is it still necessary to switch on Diff Lock ??
    6.3 Is ESC still ON ??
    6.4 With ESC Off, engine power is not limited as in 3 above; so why this procedure ??


    I hope this is clear enough ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla View Post
    We have another Amarok expert training day on 12 May at Sandwani. We will focus on the Amarok in detail and all these questions/statments will be answered.

    But to add in short.
    Tar: Don't press any buttons
    Gravel: Press off road mode (always!)
    4x4 trail: Press off road mode and ASR (use diff lock if you need it)
    Sand: Press off road mode and ASR, also select S (special) on the gearbox.

    I have not tested the ESP complete off yet, but will do so this weekend (in my Manual).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quack View Post
    You are over thinking it

    Tar, just drive, no buttons pressed

    Anything but tar, offroad button on

    Oorkruis gate difflock on

    When you want to be windgat and spin some wheels, esp off

    When you really want to set a landspeed record and want everything possible on a 3km long dune, my procedure
    If all else fails trap hom pappie

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    Quote Originally Posted by RynoB View Post
    If all else fails trap hom pappie
    Must say, this worked for me before. Steep, slippery and wet gravel road up the hill , 2 weeks of camping gear in the back and boat hitched, family of 5. Lock and load, 2nd gear low. I trapped hom Pappie. Right to the top. Kids impressed. Wife wide eyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beurvoort View Post
    Must say, this worked for me before. Steep, slippery and wet gravel road up the hill , 2 weeks of camping gear in the back and boat hitched, family of 5. Lock and load, 2nd gear low. I trapped hom Pappie. Right to the top. Kids impressed. Wife wide eyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermanm10 View Post

    6. Quack's procedure with Hazard lights and depressing Accelerator 5 times:
    6.1 According to him engine power is not limited.
    6.2 Is it still necessary to switch on Diff Lock ??
    6.3 Is ESC still ON ??
    6.4 With ESC Off, engine power is not limited as in 3 above; so why this procedure ??


    I hope this is clear enough ??
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    Default Re: Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    Thanks for all the comments.
    But, we still have some contradicting statements.

    Andre de Villiers recommends depressing ESP and Diff Lock when in sand; so, I will keep to that and maybe one day try Quack's procedure.
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    Please give some detail on Quack's procedure?

    Regards

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    The procedure is a bit of a hit and miss, try it at your own perril
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    The auto Rok is like a “mik en druk” camera! Trust it and you will take great pictures!

    Like Ryno said, if all else fails just moer it!🤣

    The launch control works lekker in short run ups, but take of in manual second! When you hit the rev limiter it will force it into 3rd
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    Default Re: Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    In the 8speed Auto in ponta sand conditions I found that I could use either of the below and it would work just fine:

    1. Just offroad mode active
    2. Just ESP de-activated
    3. Offroad mode active and ESP deactivated

    Trailer in tow I could only use option 2 as offroad mode would not activate while the trailer plug was connected
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Trailer in tow I could only use option 2 as offroad mode would not activate while the trailer plug was connected
    Still not sure I understand that one... when towing long distance off road, I'd really like the extra gizmo's available to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobMabena View Post
    Still not sure I understand that one... when towing long distance off road, I'd really like the extra gizmo's available to me
    You can only have the trailer stability control or the offroad functions. Not both at the same time as it uses the same control module.
    So if you want offroad mode while towing then unplug the trailer for that section and the offroad mode will be selectable.

    VW seems to feel that the trailer stability functions is more important than the offroad mode.

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    Default Re: Amarok 2L AUTO: Off-Road Mode, ESP, Diff Lock; clear up

    Quote Originally Posted by WillemT View Post
    You can only have the trailer stability control or the offroad functions. Not both at the same time as it uses the same control module.
    So if you want offroad mode while towing then unplug the trailer for that section and the offroad mode will be selectable.

    VW seems to feel that the trailer stability functions is more important than the offroad mode.
    Yup, just wondering why you can't have both...
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