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    Quote Originally Posted by GremlinCreeper View Post
    Maybe time for an upgrade if the kit can't be found and the budget allows.
    Wil verkieslik nie die OEM goed verander nie.. Hehe

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    Upgrade na n Webber is nog naby genoeg aan OEM en spares is available.... Just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by GremlinCreeper View Post
    Upgrade na n Webber is nog naby genoeg aan OEM en spares is available.... Just saying
    Not great for off-road, which is what he wants it for.

    Great on road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saxj View Post
    Not great for off-road, which is what he wants it for.

    Great on road.
    I thought it would be better for offroad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GremlinCreeper View Post
    I thought it would be better for offroad...
    The weber carbs don't handle angles very well. With the stock carb, I could get the SJ almost vertical (or that is what it felt like) and it would still carry on running.
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    Live and learn.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by saxj View Post
    The weber carbs don't handle angles very well. With the stock carb, I could get the SJ almost vertical (or that is what it felt like) and it would still carry on running.
    Good to know. That will all be around the float. Never seen the STD carb open before... Owned a few Weber's in my life of golf driver.
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    Hi Guys,
    On the Carb kit I found guys that can get me a kit for the SJ410 Original Carb.. yay - Carb specialists in NelsonMandela Drive in PTA.(Arcadia).

    But over the weekend GremlinCreeper and I had a look at the Compression to figure out if it is headgasket that is blown as it still tends to overheat,does not start, runs smooth and then it does not..
    Bought a Compression tester.. But while Struggling not to get 3rd degree burns from the hot engine and connecting the Compression meter. I did not connect it properly.

    Swinging the motor, water Pushed out of Cyl1 .. sooo Headgasket needs to be replaced.. (lucky I already have the parts).

    But I will not just replace head gasket.. seeing that there was no Thermostat in. I will send the head in to have it checked that it is still OK and have it skimmed.

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    The week has passed and the weekend came to fiddle with the SJ. My dad helped me out again.. Yay.. As my mechanical knowledge is not allot and he has lots and lots..

    Took the head off.. And inspected for where the issue is. Also had a look at the sleeves ect..

    Apon stripping everything we found that dust came in from the airfilter side..

    The head was not torqued properly as some bolts where "loose" on the head.

    Head has been skimmed quite a bit already.
    Inspecting the sleeves and pistons :
    Cyl1 is glased and have quite a bad ridge. The rest is all good and no issues was found only cyl1 that looks bad.

    From what we could see it already has oversized pistons in ". 50"

    So we did not strip any further as the whole motor needs to come out, and I don't have all the equipment or space to do the rest..

    Luckily i have a a-frame so it will be towed to my Dad's place where it can be fully taken appart and sent in for addisonal testing..

    While the motor is out we will be repainting the engine bay aswell as there is a tinybit of rust by the battery holder..

    Will be getting qoutes on the parts and machining to repair and take it from there if we might need another motor or not..

    If a new motor is needed. I would prefer to stick with a Suzuki SJ motor.

    In regards to that I have a view questions to ask you guys.

    1. Would i still be able to find a A10 motor for my SJ and who do can I contact?
    2. If above is not possible would the sj413 1300cc motor fit on the current gearbox.
    3. Would I still be able to find a 1300 motor.. And if possible the 5 speed box if it does not fit on the 4speed i currently have..
    4. If none of the above is possible.. How much modification would I need to do to for a Nissan 1400 / 1500 motor and 5speed box?
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    Submitted details to the parts qoute this morning to recon the motor.. waiting for them to reply with how much it will hurt :-P.

    Also found that the Chana 1.0L motors is also a F10A Suzuki motor and should fit to the current one with an additional ECU and High pressure fuel pump..

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    Recieved pricing back to recon.. And it is not worth it. R4500 for parts only without engineering. And then we dont have a guarantee that the motor will last..

    Looking at 2 other options..
    But will have a more clearer answer on that tomorrow.

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    My 2 cents would be to switch the stock engine with a Nissan 1400/1500 engine, mated with a 5 speed box if you want to use it as a daily drive, move the transfer-case back about 50mm (otherwise that shaft would be 2 universals welded together and might cause problems) so that you can balance the little prop shaft between the gearbox and transfer case, remember to seat the engine deep enough so that the filter on the carb does not touch the bonnet (i have that problem) and make sure there is enough space between your sump and diff (you can modify the sump and oil pickup to work)

    this is the cheapest conversion if you choose a new engine, Toyota 1600 Twin-cam can also work but a bit more work required..and electric management (My brother had that setup mated with a speed box and a Nissan Tracker transfer case)

    Other than that, if you want to keep it original, phone Chris at PTA Cote and get a quote for a replacement engine from him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by malphil View Post
    My 2 cents would be to switch the stock engine with a Nissan 1400/1500 engine, mated with a 5 speed box if you want to use it as a daily drive, move the transfer-case back about 50mm (otherwise that shaft would be 2 universals welded together and might cause problems) so that you can balance the little prop shaft between the gearbox and transfer case, remember to seat the engine deep enough so that the filter on the carb does not touch the bonnet (i have that problem) and make sure there is enough space between your sump and diff (you can modify the sump and oil pickup to work)

    this is the cheapest conversion if you choose a new engine, Toyota 1600 Twin-cam can also work but a bit more work required..and electric management (My brother had that setup mated with a speed box and a Nissan Tracker transfer case)

    Other than that, if you want to keep it original, phone Chris at PTA Cote and get a quote for a replacement engine from him...
    Thanks for the input.
    I went to Chris yesterday, and recieved a qoute from him on a f10a subassembly. For R4500 but that is with out recon as he doesn't know how the motors is. Recon on these engines is a bit steep.

    I had a look at the Nissan 1400 conversions as well. But sofar you are looking at R8500 for engine and gearbox, then you have not made any of the mods yet , or radiator or any of the extras.. Getting you to R10k to R15k as we can do everything ourselves..

    Going to look at a probable F10a or G13 carb motor and gearbox replacement today.

    Another option that i have is for fuel injected G13 with gearbox, harness and ecu and all the sensors ect . For R10k for
    Will need to install a high pressure fuel pump and get the sump from a sj413 perhaps..

    I want to keep it as simple as possible and keep it suzuki as well.

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    Little Update..
    Decided to opt for the chana suzuki 1300 motor and gearbox transplant..
    The guys are busy removing everything from the chana still chassis still (so it will be everything from the chana that will go into the sj.
    And will recieve a call when they have it ready for collection..

    Will be going to the farm next weekend where the sj currently resides waiting in it's ICU state waiting for it's transplant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearl3SS View Post
    Little Update..
    Decided to opt for the chana suzuki 1300 motor and gearbox transplant..
    The guys are busy removing everything from the chana still chassis still (so it will be everything from the chana that will go into the sj.
    And will recieve a call when they have it ready for collection..

    Will be going to the farm next weekend where the sj currently resides waiting in it's ICU state waiting for it's transplant.
    May I ask...why the Chana?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    May I ask...why the Chana?
    Because it is a suzuki motor still. And parts are available for it.

    Also Doing a Nissan 1200/1400/1500 conversion in this day with ...well.... Old tech seems a bit stupid to me to Pay R25K in total for that conversion. When you can pay the exact same amount for a M13a/M15a/M16a conversion with a Jimny box, ecu, harness and everything that goes with it.. (I dont think the jimny transplant has been done to a SJ yet.)

    Or Half of that for a later gen fuel injected G13 motor and 5speed box already fitted with wiring harness,ecu and everything that goes with that and it is still a G-Series Suzuki Motor(Found in the CHANA Star bakkie).
    I am still trying to figure out if the Chana 1300 is a G13BB motor which is the 1st gen Jimny motor that was a 16valve.


    Here is some details Regarding the Chana and Suzuki relationship and the motors being used in the Chana.
    Source : Wikipedia (Cant always be trusted but ok) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changan_Automobile

    Here is the More important extract regarding the Chana and Suzuki relationship.
    Changan Suzuki


    Main article: Changan Suzuki
    Technical and commercial cooperation with Suzuki Motors, beginning in 1983, saw Changan assembling inexpensive commercial trucks (originally the Suzuki Carry ST90 as the Chang'an SC112[39]) under license into the 2000s.[40] The two companies formed Chongqing Chang'an Suzuki Automobile Co in 1993,[32] which built licensed versions of the Suzuki Alto, Suzuki Cultus, and more recently the Swift.
    In parallel with its Suzuki joint venture, Changan also continued to build small trucks and vans for commercial use based on the 1999 Suzuki Carry license, but independently developed vehicles are quickly replacing them.[40] These small cars carry the Changan brand name although Suzuki technology is used in their design and manufacture.
    In 2010, Changan was supposed to merge its Suzuki joint venture with that of Changhe, another automaker that participates in a project with the Japanese company.[12] This plan, supported by Suzuki, did not see fruition, and this Japanese company may currently be unhappy with its Chinese partners. Despite being an early entrant in the Chinese auto market, it has lackluster sales in the country.[41] Suzuki's efforts to change the situation by merging its two joint ventures—since Chinese business law does not allow any foreign company more than two—have so far been stymied by its Chinese partners, who instead hope Suzuki will improve their situation.[42] The Chinese State may also not want new foreign-Chinese joint auto-making ventures at this time.[43] An effort to sell the entire Suzuki model range at unified dealerships fell through in 2008.[44] (This may have been tried again in 2010.)[45]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    May I ask...why the Chana?
    Easily as a Chana falls over there should be plenty parts available
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearl3SS View Post
    Because it is a suzuki motor still. And parts are available for it.

    Also Doing a Nissan 1200/1400/1500 conversion in this day with ...well.... Old tech seems a bit stupid to me to Pay R25K in total for that conversion. When you can pay the exact same amount for a M13a/M15a/M16a conversion with a Jimny box, ecu, harness and everything that goes with it.. (I dont think the jimny transplant has been done to a SJ yet.)

    Or Half of that for a later gen fuel injected G13 motor and 5speed box already fitted with wiring harness,ecu and everything that goes with that and it is still a G-Series Suzuki Motor(Found in the CHANA Star bakkie).
    I am still trying to figure out if the Chana 1300 is a G13BB motor which is the 1st gen Jimny motor that was a 16valve.


    Here is some details Regarding the Chana and Suzuki relationship and the motors being used in the Chana.
    Source : Wikipedia (Cant always be trusted but ok) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changan_Automobile

    Here is the More important extract regarding the Chana and Suzuki relationship.
    Changan Suzuki


    Main article: Changan Suzuki
    Technical and commercial cooperation with Suzuki Motors, beginning in 1983, saw Changan assembling inexpensive commercial trucks (originally the Suzuki Carry ST90 as the Chang'an SC112[39]) under license into the 2000s.[40] The two companies formed Chongqing Chang'an Suzuki Automobile Co in 1993,[32] which built licensed versions of the Suzuki Alto, Suzuki Cultus, and more recently the Swift.
    In parallel with its Suzuki joint venture, Changan also continued to build small trucks and vans for commercial use based on the 1999 Suzuki Carry license, but independently developed vehicles are quickly replacing them.[40] These small cars carry the Changan brand name although Suzuki technology is used in their design and manufacture.
    In 2010, Changan was supposed to merge its Suzuki joint venture with that of Changhe, another automaker that participates in a project with the Japanese company.[12] This plan, supported by Suzuki, did not see fruition, and this Japanese company may currently be unhappy with its Chinese partners. Despite being an early entrant in the Chinese auto market, it has lackluster sales in the country.[41] Suzuki's efforts to change the situation by merging its two joint ventures—since Chinese business law does not allow any foreign company more than two—have so far been stymied by its Chinese partners, who instead hope Suzuki will improve their situation.[42] The Chinese State may also not want new foreign-Chinese joint auto-making ventures at this time.[43] An effort to sell the entire Suzuki model range at unified dealerships fell through in 2008.[44] (This may have been tried again in 2010.)[45]
    Weird, don't see that the G13-series motor of the Suzuki is the same as the Chana. Even the displacement in CC is a bit different. Only way eventually to find out, is when you fit it and see if the mounts are the same. But they are very damn close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Weird, don't see that the G13-series motor of the Suzuki is the same as the Chana. Even the displacement in CC is a bit different. Only way eventually to find out, is when you fit it and see if the mounts are the same. But they are very damn close.
    I found the Engine code for the Chana 1300 motor it is called a : JL474Q


    JL474Q
    EngineStructure type, inline four cylinder, 16 valve, SOHC, four stroke engine. Computer controlled multi point closed loop sequential gasoline injection, computer controlled ignition system with knock detection. Main engine characteristics, using the Japanese Suzuki company F, G series engine technology, selection of Denso, Shanghai UMC, Marilyn, Delphi and other advanced engine computer management system. The engine has the advantages of compact structure, reasonable layout,PowerStrong, low fuel consumption, low noise, high reliability, environmental emissions to meet the Europe II standard. And has been applied toChanganBrand series of mini car: OttoCarChangan star series, van, Nanjing Changan minisize, Changan victory series of mini car. Is the domestic mini car, passenger car (business, reconnaissance, postal, ambulance, prison, guest), truck, van and other ideal engine.

    http://lltransmachinery.en.alibaba.c...724fd712KbCwdv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearl3SS View Post
    I found the Engine code for the Chana 1300 motor it is called a : JL474Q


    JL474Q
    EngineStructure type, inline four cylinder, 16 valve, SOHC, four stroke engine. Computer controlled multi point closed loop sequential gasoline injection, computer controlled ignition system with knock detection. Main engine characteristics, using the Japanese Suzuki company F, G series engine technology, selection of Denso, Shanghai UMC, Marilyn, Delphi and other advanced engine computer management system. The engine has the advantages of compact structure, reasonable layout,PowerStrong, low fuel consumption, low noise, high reliability, environmental emissions to meet the Europe II standard. And has been applied toChanganBrand series of mini car: OttoCarChangan star series, van, Nanjing Changan minisize, Changan victory series of mini car. Is the domestic mini car, passenger car (business, reconnaissance, postal, ambulance, prison, guest), truck, van and other ideal engine.

    http://lltransmachinery.en.alibaba.c...724fd712KbCwdv

    Read this thread http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...-same-engines-!
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