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    Default Some advice needed for new guy

    Hi all,

    New guy here from Snortoria. Coming to you for some expert biased opinions if you'd be so kind

    So I do not know much about the offroading/4x4 thing, I do have a decent understanding of NORMAL cars though. But here is what I would like to do:

    Buy a oldish 4x4, the vehicle + critical repairs should cost me less than about R60k. I am not looking for some kind off super off-road monster. Then I can maybe add another R10k worth of kit on top of that.

    We basically plan to buy the thing to:
    - Take part in the Put Foot Rally (which is more a party tour of Southern Africa than an actual hardcore rally - you can stick to tar roads only if you so wish)
    - A trip or 2 into Ponta Malongane in the south of Moz (we go every year - lots of loose sand, high middleman)
    - Some other 4x4 excursions for 2-3 years through South Africa (e.g. Sani pass and so).

    And then sell it! So not looking for the bestest most awesomest 4x4 ever, but rather for something that is relatively capable, reliable, not too heavy on the dinosaurs and you can get for less than R60k... I don't care if it looks like #####.

    Options I've identified so far with my random ramblings:
    - Nissan Sani V6: cheap but AFAIK they tend to have lots of gearbox and rust issues? Also very heavy on fuel. Don't think this is a good option.
    - Suzuki Grand Vitara: Looks good, but has electronic AWD with no diff lock as far as I can see?
    - Jeep Cherokee 4.0: Its a monster but HEAVY on fuel.
    - Subaru Forester: Decent AWD but not very high clearance. Bonus points for being the same car 2 other people are taking on the "rally" which means we could share parts.
    - Trading my car (Mitsu ASX) for a Jeep Renegade and then hoping I don't ruin my daily drive... (The renegade has a fiat engine, is this reliable)

    Any comments on the above please? Or alternate suggestions??

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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    There is a budget 4x4 thread somewhere.

    Some options:

    Land Rover Discovery 1
    Nissan Safari
    Jeep Cherokee XJ

    All of these have great potential and are available in your price class.
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Maybe add 3.5 Pajero to the above list.

    But I think that Safari option is a good one.

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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    +1 for 3.5 Pajero
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Thanks a lot guys! Never even heard of a Nissan Safari Will do some research.

    What would fuel consumption be on the Pajero/Cherokee/Discovery more or less?

    Will dig for that Budget 4x4 thread as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    Thanks a lot guys! Never even heard of a Nissan Safari Will do some research.
    Was also called the 160 Series or MQ Series Nissan Patrol

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan...2.80.931989.29

    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    What would fuel consumption be on the Pajero/Cherokee/Discovery more or less?
    Between 16L and 20L / 100km depending on condition of the engine and fuel system
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    Thanks a lot guys!

    Will dig for that Budget 4x4 thread as well!
    Here you go. (Just go to the last page for most recent stuff)


    http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...per-4x4-opsies
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Thanks guys! Any recommendations for something that would get closer to 10l/100km?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    Thanks guys! Any recommendations for something that would get closer to 10l/100km?
    This one:

    http://www.4x4community.co.za/classi...very-td5/cat/4
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post

    Hmmm didnt think I'd actually be able to get something that nice. But then, is an older turbo car safe to buy? If previous owner tortured it I might be in for a LARGE repair bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    Hmmm didnt think I'd actually be able to get something that nice. But then, is an older turbo car safe to buy? If previous owner tortured it I might be in for a LARGE repair bill?
    TD5 was and is reasonably robust. Issues are easy to detect and fairly well known. Enough resources on this forum to diagnose and repair.

    Any older 4x4 SUV can be a money pit.

    You either pay at the pump for petrol engines or you could pay at the workshop for diesel engines. Your choice.

    This is a forum member and he shouldn't mind having it taken to a Natal independent Landy workshop for a checkup and report if he is honest about the condition.
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    What about this one?

    http://www.junkmail.co.za/motoring/4...l-4x4/62954110

    Anything specific to look out for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    What about this one?

    http://www.junkmail.co.za/motoring/4...l-4x4/62954110

    Anything specific to look out for?
    Just all the stuff you'd check on any vehicle: does it do what it says?

    - check for oil leaks on engine and drivetrain
    - check if engine runs well, gearbox and clutch is good
    - check 4x4 system is all working
    ETC
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    Just all the stuff you'd check on any vehicle: does it do what it says?

    - check for oil leaks on engine and drivetrain
    - check if engine runs well, gearbox and clutch is good
    - check 4x4 system is all working
    ETC
    Thanks! Im reasonably fine with checking normal cars, but what would I need to check for with the 4x4 system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr1m View Post
    Thanks! Im reasonably fine with checking normal cars, but what would I need to check for with the 4x4 system?
    Short question with a long answer.

    The Safari transfer case is a part time system: normal drive is 4x2 to the rear wheels.

    You can then select 4High and 4Low on the transfer case shift lever.

    To test:
    - find a piece of dirt ground,
    - stop,
    - exit the vehicle and check the front hubs locks are locked in the ON position
    - select neutral on the main gearbox,
    - then firmly move the transfer case selector to the 4H position.
    - Select 1st gear on the main gearbox, rev the engine and attempt to create wheelspin. At least ONE rear wheel and ONE front wheel should spin.
    - then select 4L on the transfer case selector and repeat this process

    - revert all hubs and transfer case lever to original positions for 4x2 operations.
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    3.2DiD Pajero will also fit the bill.
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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    This will do everything on your list, and will be a lot of fun in the rally. As it can actually accelerate against a stop watch instead of a calender.

    https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...80910032443609


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    Default Re: Some advice needed for new guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Disco-Deon View Post
    3.2DiD Pajero will also fit the bill.
    He won't find a properly working example for R60k. Maybe also look at Suzuki Vitara (1.6, 2.0 I4, 2.0 V6 or 2.5 V6), first gen Kia Sportage or as suggested Pajero Gen 2 3.0/3.5 V6, Disco 2 Td5 (V8's a guzzler), etc. A Nissan Safari with the standard L28 motor is gonna give you closer to 20 l/100 km...
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