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    I have a few trailers. Build and desiged one myself. All for cargo. The Goudi trailer I bought in 2004. It is has a payload of 2ton it is double axle. This trailer has done 100 000km plus with a full load on tar and dirt loads with no problems. The A frame is 100mm x 50mm x 5m channel and has gusset plate were the trailer body meets the A frame. The one I build I use 100mm x 50mm x 3mm tube also with gusset plates. This is important as this is where the A frame has the biggest stress and bend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congo View Post
    No amount of computer simulation or FEM testing can ever compete with real time live field testing. No manufacturer will field test their product with the same level of disrespect as would some rental customers.

    The rental market provides invaluable information to manufacturars on items that might fail at zero cost to the manufacturor.

    How a specific manufacturor responds to a failure..... Well, that is where the differance lies.....some might chose to fix the issue and provide their clients with an improved product, some might chose to ignore the issue and some might choose to profit from supplying the parts to repair the failure that they were responsible for in the first place.......

    Agree. Best test is feedback from clients. If the safety- or live load factor used in the design was not adequate then you need to make modifications. Mostly a trail and error thing as live loads cannot necessarily predicted, its more of a type of standard used in the industry.

    How much must fail till you accepted there is a problem. I think one is enough to investigate and make modifications if required. It can be a very cheap modification as the stresses problem is limited to that point from where the A frame extents under the caravan/trailer body to the towbar.
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    Most heavy caravans and trailers use this U-Channel for the A-Frame. It doesn't crack or break like rectangular tubing.

    76 x 38 x 6

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    If you subject any steel to extended periods of stress it will fail. So you can reduce structural failure by changing the design, material and thickness. Furthermore you can add stiffeners on high tensile spots to reduce metal fatigue. I have seen failures like that hundreds of times. I will be able to fix that problem easily. Just some steel and bit of effort
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    Now my trusted insurance company have given me notice of cansellation of policy due to repeated claims on the Conquerors.

    Eish, fun times.


    In the meantime my replacement on the A-frame (the strong one) is going in to galvanizing today and should be all done by next week.
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    Now my trusted insurance company have given me notice of cansellation of policy due to repeated claims on the Conquerors.
    Not a good sign!
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    What did you claim on the conquerors? Must be accident claims because no insurer will pay for mechanical breakdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois111 View Post
    What did you claim on the conquerors? Must be accident claims because no insurer will pay for mechanical breakdown.
    2 x recoveries from out of country, damage caused by a-frame failure......
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    And they cancel you because of 2 recoveries? That is a bit harsh!
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    Do you know if it is just yours or is it all their clients with conquerors?
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    No insurer will cancel you because you have a certain brand they will cancel you because of to much claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congo View Post
    Now my trusted insurance company have given me notice of cansellation of policy due to repeated claims on the Conquerors.

    Eish, fun times.


    In the meantime my replacement on the A-frame (the strong one) is going in to galvanizing today and should be all done by next week.
    On claims they are not willing to pay? Wow, that is worrisome.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konstanddp View Post
    Do you know if it is just yours or is it all their clients with conquerors?

    my guess is the other companion owners will only find this out once they need the support..in the meantime, the insurance will gladly take the money every month, no question asked..

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    Spoke to three insurance company's and have no issue with the Conqurorer brand but the problem is the number of claims from insuree .


    Once again would the same be applicable to (Toyota, VW, Ford, example) if Avis, Buget, Euro Car, came with a warranty claim on a rental 2010 model with + 150k km.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
    Most heavy caravans and trailers use this U-Channel for the A-Frame. It doesn't crack or break like rectangular tubing.

    76 x 38 x 6

    You're joking...

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    You're joking...
    Why ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant1 View Post

    Once again would the same be applicable to (Toyota, VW, Ford, example) if Avis, Buget, Euro Car, came with a warranty claim on a rental 2010 model with + 150k km.
    Sorry but I'm confused here, what is the difference between Avis etc and a single owner coming up with a warranty claim on a chassis failure at the same age and mileage? Do manufacturers only build vehicles to last 2 years? Are you saying that multiple users are the issue? What about the second hand market then?

    Should the manufacturer then not clearly state that our product will only last for X years or y Botswana trips there after it will fail and we will charge you for the repairs?

    Really?

    Does not seem to be the message portraid in their advertising?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congo View Post
    2 x recoveries from out of country, damage caused by a-frame failure......
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    Die probleem is dat jy gaan sukkel om by n ander versekeraar geplaas te word omdat jou huidige mense jou kanselleer het
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