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    I started cycling 10 months ago because my knees were gone. So I did it to get the legs strong again. From not being able to go up the stairs to my bedroom I now run up and down every day with no problems.

    So back to bike, I have a Fat bike with front suspension and a Santa Cruz tallboy cc. By far the best bike I have ever had. Running 2.4 29er with 2 x 11 as im too dik to use 1 x 12. The jumps are too big between gears. I would suggest that to anyone wanting a decent bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I started cycling 10 months ago because my knees were gone. So I did it to get the legs strong again. From not being able to go up the stairs to my bedroom I now run up and down every day with no problems.

    So back to bike, I have a Fat bike with front suspension and a Santa Cruz tallboy cc. By far the best bike I have ever had. Running 2.4 29er with 2 x 11 as im too dik to use 1 x 12. The jumps are too big between gears. I would suggest that to anyone wanting a decent bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I started cycling 10 months ago because my knees were gone. So I did it to get the legs strong again. From not being able to go up the stairs to my bedroom I now run up and down every day with no problems.

    So back to bike, I have a Fat bike with front suspension and a Santa Cruz tallboy cc. By far the best bike I have ever had. Running 2.4 29er with 2 x 11 as im too dik to use 1 x 12. The jumps are too big between gears. I would suggest that to anyone wanting a decent bike.
    Good to hear it has worked this well for you !

    The "Fat bike" certainly has its own following.


    2x11 vs 1x12 .... what a hot topic on the bicycle forums !


    I have the old classic 3x10 on my commute bike, and had 2x10 on my TREK. Just went over to 1x12 ... various other items needed replacement and the switch to 1x12 made sense.


    My first impressions:
    - having chosen a small front ring, due to bad knees, I am VERY happy with the climbing ability of this gear set !!
    - I can still reach 35km/h very easily, and spin out at 40km/h. For where I ride this is way fast enough. (those that need a very low climbing gear and want to do 45km/h best stay with a 2x system)
    - gaps between gears .... NOPE !! Not an issue !! In fact, the gaps between gears of a 1x12 is LESS than that for a 2x11 ! Okay, sizable jump to the last gear, but the rest is better than an 11 speed cassette.
    - practical use out on a trail - for the normal "jeep track" rides ... much of a muchness, any gear set can work here. Once you get to steep drops followed by immediate steep climbs, and throw in some sharp turns and bridges ... you better have a gear set that allows you to QUICKLY go from full speed to mid range, and then step by step to the granny as you lose momentum up the climb. As a person that swore by Shimano for more than three decades I am VERY impressed with the SRAM 1x setup !!

    PS - the GX Eagle is now becoming very affordable .... the only difference between the GX and XX1 is a LOT of weight. The functioning is the same, according to all the reviews I have seen. GX for the weekend riders, and the XX1 for the trustfund babies and the serious racers.


    Here are the numbers -
    Shimano 11-36 cassette :
    11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36
    Thus "2 teeth" hops at the lower end, the "+3T" for two and then "+4" for the rest.

    Some would say that the Shimano 11-42 cassette is more popular :
    11, 13, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42
    NOTE - see how quickly this set goes from 15 to 24 - only 2 intermediate gears, while the "old" design has much closer gaps.

    Now for the SRAM 1x12 gearing:
    10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 50
    Same "+2T" at the low end, same "+3T" in the mid range as with the original 11-36, and the exact same "+4T" on the upper end. The only difference being it starts one lower and adds to gears to provide a 42 and a 50 gear.

    Sorry, I dont understand how somebody can say the "gear spread" (gaps between gears) is wider with the Eagle .....

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    29er Full suspension is the way to go. A better ride and better control over rough stuff.

    Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post

    Here are the numbers -
    Shimano 11-36 cassette :
    11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36
    Thus "2 teeth" hops at the lower end, the "+3T" for two and then "+4" for the rest.

    Some would say that the Shimano 11-42 cassette is more popular :
    11, 13, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42
    NOTE - see how quickly this set goes from 15 to 24 - only 2 intermediate gears, while the "old" design has much closer gaps.

    Now for the SRAM 1x12 gearing:
    10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 50
    Same "+2T" at the low end, same "+3T" in the mid range as with the original 11-36, and the exact same "+4T" on the upper end. The only difference being it starts one lower and adds to gears to provide a 42 and a 50 gear.

    Sorry, I dont understand how somebody can say the "gear spread" (gaps between gears) is wider with the Eagle .....
    Does not make sense. he quoted 10 speed not 11.

    I have 1 x on my fat bike and find it much harder to climb than my 2 x

    For a maargat its easy but for me the jump on the last 3 gears is too much. Im too heavy. On the fat if on a big incline, the 8 teeth jump is too much.

    The real advantage of 11-speed is the ability to have all the range you require without sacrificing the rhythm you need.

    26x11 26.47 29.78 33.09 36.40 39.71 26x11
    26x13 22.44 25.24 28.05 30.85 33.65 26x13
    26x15 19.41 21.83 24.26 26.68 29.11 26x15
    26x17 17.16 19.31 21.45 23.60 25.75 26x17
    26x19 15.37 17.29 19.21 21.13 23.05 26x19
    26x21 13.91 15.65 17.39 19.13 20.87 26x21
    26x24 12.12 13.63 15.14 16.66 18.17 26x24
    26x27 10.77 12.12 13.46 14.81 16.15 26x27
    26x31 9.42 10.60 11.78 12.96 14.13 26x31
    26x35 8.30 9.34 10.38 11.41 12.45 26x35
    26x40 7.29 8.20 9.11 10.03 10.94 26x40
    36x11 36.68 41.27 45.85 50.44 55.02 36x11
    36x13 31.07 34.96 38.84 42.73 46.61 36x13
    36x15 26.92 30.29 33.65 37.02 40.38 36x15
    36x17 23.78 26.76 29.73 32.70 35.67 36x17
    36x19 21.20 23.85 26.50 29.15 31.80 36x19
    36x21 19.18 21.58 23.98 26.38 28.77 36x21
    36x24 16.83 18.93 21.03 23.14 25.24 36x24
    36x27 14.92 16.79 18.65 20.52 22.38 36x27
    36x31 13.01 14.64 16.27 17.89 19.52 36x31
    36x35 11.55 13.00 14.44 15.89 17.33 36x35

    26x11 26.47 29.78 33.09 36.40 39.71 26x11
    26x13 22.44 25.24 28.05 30.85 33.65 26x13
    26x15 19.41 21.83 24.26 26.68 29.11 26x15
    26x17 17.16 19.31 21.45 23.60 25.75 26x17
    26x19 15.37 17.29 19.21 21.13 23.05 26x19
    26x21 13.91 15.65 17.39 19.13 20.87 26x21
    26x24 12.12 13.63 15.14 16.66 18.17 26x24
    26x27 10.77 12.12 13.46 14.81 16.15 26x27
    26x31 9.42 10.60 11.78 12.96 14.13 26x31
    26x35 8.30 9.34 10.38 11.41 12.45 26x35
    26x40 7.29 8.20 9.11 10.03 10.94 26x40
    38x11 38.70 43.54 48.38 53.22 58.05 38x11
    38x13 32.76 36.85 40.95 45.04 49.14 38x13
    38x15 28.38 31.93 35.48 39.02 42.57 38x15
    38x17 25.13 28.27 31.41 34.55 37.69 38x17
    38x19 22.44 25.24 28.05 30.85 33.65 38x19
    38x21 20.30 22.84 25.38 27.92 30.46 38x21
    38x24 17.72 19.94 22.16 24.37 26.59 38x24
    38x27 15.82 17.79 19.77 21.75 23.73 38x27
    38x31 13.80 15.52 17.25 18.97 20.70 38x31
    38x35 12.23 13.76 15.28 16.81 18.34 38x35
    38x40 10.66 11.99 13.32 14.65 15.99 38x40

    30x10 33.65 37.86 42.07 46.27 50.48 30x10
    30x12 28.05 31.55 35.06 38.56 42.07 30x12
    30x14 24.01 27.01 30.01 33.01 36.01 30x14
    30x16 21.09 23.73 26.36 29.00 31.63 30x16
    30x18 18.73 21.08 23.42 25.76 28.10 30x18
    30x21 16.04 18.05 20.05 22.06 24.06 30x21
    30x24 14.02 15.78 17.53 19.28 21.03 30x24
    30x28 12.00 13.50 15.00 16.50 18.00 30x28
    30x32 10.54 11.86 13.18 14.50 15.82 30x32
    30x36 9.31 10.47 11.64 12.80 13.97 30x36
    30x42 7.96 8.96 9.96 10.95 11.95 30x42
    30x50 6.73 7.57 8.41 9.25 10.10 30x50
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    The speeds are for 80,90,100,110 cadance on the tables below
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    Why can't you get a CVT system or an auto. It's not 1910 you know.

    Edit - I miss my 24" Raleigh 3 Speed integral hub with brake and reverse pedal brake. But that was a while ago.
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    26x10 29.17 32.81 36.46 40.10 43.75 26x10
    26x12 24.34 27.39 30.43 33.47 36.51 26x12
    26x14 20.87 23.47 26.08 28.69 31.30 26x14
    26x16 18.29 20.57 22.86 25.14 27.43 26x16
    26x18 16.15 18.17 20.19 22.21 24.23 26x18
    26x21 13.91 15.65 17.39 19.13 20.87 26x21
    26x24 12.12 13.63 15.14 16.66 18.17 26x24
    26x28 10.43 11.74 13.04 14.35 15.65 26x28
    26x32 9.09 10.22 11.36 12.49 13.63 26x32
    26x36 8.08 9.09 10.10 11.11 12.12 26x36
    26x42 6.96 7.82 8.69 9.56 10.43 26x42
    36x10 40.38 45.43 50.48 55.53 60.58 36x10
    36x12 33.65 37.86 42.07 46.27 50.48 36x12
    36x14 28.83 32.43 36.04 39.64 43.25 36x14
    36x16 25.24 28.40 31.55 34.71 37.86 36x16
    36x18 22.44 25.24 28.05 30.85 33.65 36x18
    36x21 19.18 21.58 23.98 26.38 28.77 36x21
    36x24 16.83 18.93 21.03 23.14 25.24 36x24
    36x28 14.47 16.28 18.09 19.90 21.71 36x28
    36x32 12.68 14.26 15.85 17.43 19.01 36x32
    36x36 11.22 12.62 14.02 15.42 16.83 36x36
    36x42 9.65 10.85 12.06 13.27 14.47 36x42

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    26x10 29.17 32.81 36.46 40.10 43.75 26x10
    26x12 24.34 27.39 30.43 33.47 36.51 26x12
    26x14 20.87 23.47 26.08 28.69 31.30 26x14
    26x17 17.16 19.31 21.45 23.60 25.75 26x17
    26x20 14.58 16.41 18.23 20.05 21.88 26x20
    26x24 12.12 13.63 15.14 16.66 18.17 26x24
    26x28 10.43 11.74 13.04 14.35 15.65 26x28
    26x32 9.09 10.22 11.36 12.49 13.63 26x32
    26x38 7.63 8.58 9.54 10.49 11.44 26x38
    26x44 6.62 7.45 8.27 9.10 9.93 26x44
    26x9 32.42 36.47 40.53 44.58 48.63 26x9
    36x10 40.38 45.43 50.48 55.53 60.58 36x10
    36x12 33.65 37.86 42.07 46.27 50.48 36x12
    36x14 28.83 32.43 36.04 39.64 43.25 36x14
    36x17 23.78 26.76 29.73 32.70 35.67 36x17
    36x20 20.19 22.72 25.24 27.76 30.29 36x20
    36x24 16.83 18.93 21.03 23.14 25.24 36x24
    36x28 14.47 16.28 18.09 19.90 21.71 36x28
    36x32 12.68 14.26 15.85 17.43 19.01 36x32
    36x38 10.66 11.99 13.32 14.65 15.99 36x38
    36x44 9.20 10.35 11.50 12.65 13.80 36x44
    36x9 44.87 50.48 56.09 61.70 67.31 36x9
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    So the only advantage you have is the cost on xt replacement casettes and chains vs sram is huge.

    Then to me the bigger advantage is the 7km/h extra speed I get with at cadence of 80rpm
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    Herman my knees are also knackered ....

    I find that high cadence is the best way for me to tackle the inclines.

    I typically cycle at a cadence of 75 to 80. But going up hill my knees take less strain when doing between 90 and a 100 cadence.

    I love cycling at Meerendal, there is a specific loop called Dorstberg. By the time you get here you have already done a fair bit of climbing, including "Stairway-to-heaven" to soften up the legs .... The first 300m has a climb of 55m ! And then the real climb starts !! In total 820m of climbing.

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    The 1x simply WORKS for me on this route. It has the same granny as my 2x system had. BUT, for this I do sacrifice some top-speed .... If you need a real granny gear and top-speed, then a 2x system will serve you better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    I started cycling 10 months ago because my knees were gone. So I did it to get the legs strong again. From not being able to go up the stairs to my bedroom I now run up and down every day with no problems.

    So back to bike, I have a Fat bike with front suspension and a Santa Cruz tallboy cc. By far the best bike I have ever had. Running 2.4 29er with 2 x 11 as im too dik to use 1 x 12. The jumps are too big between gears. I would suggest that to anyone wanting a decent bike.
    The Tallboy is one of the best all rounder bikes around. Enjoy!


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    I love cycling at Meerendal, there is a specific loop called Dorstberg. By the time you get here you have already done a fair bit of climbing, including "Stairway-to-heaven" to soften up the legs .... The first 300m has a climb of 55m ! And then the real climb starts !! In total 820m of climbing.
    It's time you come ride Hoogekraal or Contermans with me. You won't go back to Meerendal again (I didn't). And I think we're pretty much the same speed on the climbs.
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    I have a Tygerberg membership ....

    I have done Bloemendal, and Majic Forest, and driven past a couple of the others ....


    So why do I keep going back to Meerendal ?

    Best routes for Maritz, our 6 year old godson. We have the pump track at Bloemedal with him. He likes it, actually loves it, but makes his own circuit ... so cant do that with others on the track.


    Most often my wife goes along, and has coffee while I ride ... for this Meerendal is just so much better than the rest.


    Let's not forget, still nursing back my stuffed knees ..... So I will keep on chipping away at Dorstberg, want to reduce those stops ....


    All that said, when I am on my own I do try out new routes.


    My FAVORITE trail is "Hermanus Trails"

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    For a 6 year old, yes, Bloemendal is perfect. The pump track is good to learn on and after that B spot.

    The best coffee though is at Dairy Shed on the Contermanskloof farm. And best omelettes. And croissants. And best trails for all levels. Unless you go right to the top, it's a more gradual climb than Dorstberg.

    Let me know when you want to take on Contermans and circumstances allows it. I'll be happy to show you the trails.
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    I have to agree on the switch to a 1 x 12 Sram GX, changed about a year ago and never looked back cassette is 10/50 and front chainring a 32...love it!

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    I had to do 3 Intervals today at 270w for 12 mins. Cadence was around 100. So the moment I drop down to 70rpm the torque becomes to much. Going to 110 rpm on the legs means my heart rate start running away. Now apparently 110 is optimum between lungs and legs, I do find 90 rpm to be my magick number.

    Did isolated legs yesterday at 1m intervals and my knees are sore today. So yes, higher revs less pressure on the knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    For a 6 year old, yes, Bloemendal is perfect. The pump track is good to learn on and after that B spot.

    The best coffee though is at Dairy Shed on the Contermanskloof farm. And best omelettes. And croissants. And best trails for all levels. Unless you go right to the top, it's a more gradual climb than Dorstberg.

    Let me know when you want to take on Contermans and circumstances allows it. I'll be happy to show you the trails.
    THANKS !

    Certainly WILL give Contermans a try next time Maritz is not with. I always try out a trail before taking him with. He prefers to ride in front, and I PREFER to know what is waiting for him around the next bend ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    For a 6 year old, yes, Bloemendal is perfect. The pump track is good to learn on and after that B spot.

    The best coffee though is at Dairy Shed on the Contermanskloof farm. And best omelettes. And croissants. And best trails for all levels. Unless you go right to the top, it's a more gradual climb than Dorstberg.

    Let me know when you want to take on Contermans and circumstances allows it. I'll be happy to show you the trails.
    Musashi, I agree with you that that Contermans has the best coffee, carrot cake etc. I never go there without indulging in said sweetness, yet, I prefer Hoogekraal for it's technical trails. Then we also have helderberg 4x4 farm with it's insanely awesome downhill/enduro trails. Man I love them trails.

    When choosing a baie-sukkel, there are so many aspects one should take into consideration.
    Intended use
    What kind of riding will you be aiming to do? Will it be mainly jeeptrack and the odd technical singletrack or will you be a bit more adventurous and head off into the trails where you have drop-offs and jumps? What kind of distances will you be doing? 100KM+ rides on smooth roads and jeeptrack or the more #Enduro kind of rides?
    Age and possible health issues
    Do you have knee and back issues? If so, a full-suspension will be beneficial as it takes some of the strain away from those areas.
    Also remember, Alu will vibrate a lot more than carbon hence the feeling of a harder ride when on an Alu bike. Carbon absorbs a lot of the vibrations and makes you feel as if you are floating a lot more.
    Budget and just as important - maintenance costs
    That will be the driving factor between Hardtail v Full-sus and also Alu v Carbon. Maintenance costs, especially on the more well known brands out there can be very high for Full-Suss bikes.
    Rider's height
    A less of an important aspect to consider but still valid in the long run. I am of the opinion that anyone shorter than 1.7m should not be on 29r bikes and should rather consider 27.5". Bike geometry and setup is more suitable. Those 1.8 and above should consider 29r.
    The riders falling in the 1.7 - 1.8 range in in the middle and can basically choose to their heart's content. I know I am gonig to be shot for what I have said, but I have been there and so have a few of my friends.

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    Default Re: Hardtail or Full suspension, Carbon or Alu

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques_Nel View Post
    Musashi, I agree with you that that Contermans has the best coffee, carrot cake etc. I never go there without indulging in said sweetness, yet, I prefer Hoogekraal for it's technical trails. Then we also have helderberg 4x4 farm with it's insanely awesome downhill/enduro trails. Man I love them trails.
    Let me know next time you're here and I'll show you the enduro lines at Contermans. If it's still not technical enough, we'll take the DH line. But yes, Hoogekraal certainly has a lot to offer and is pretty much on par with Contermans.

    Helderberg is also a lot of fun but a bit of a drive for me to do it regularly. Very nice for some variation.
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    Default Re: Hardtail or Full suspension, Carbon or Alu

    Just to give my opinion on the dual sus / hardtail, carbon / alu question:

    It depends on what your build is, and also the type of terrain you ride mostly and lastly your competitive levels.

    1.) Your build

    If you are on the heavier side, a carbon dual suspension will be a good choice. Be aware though, and this is the reason why I excluded an alu frame, if you are on the heavier side, stand up during descents on rough terrain! People on dualies tend to stay seated when descending due to the additional damping of the rear. This eliminates the shock absorbing effects your legs bring (not to mention the added stability) and will induce higher loads on your frame.

    Carbon duelies will also work for your more competitive, lighter weight marathon / stage race cyclists. If you are light weight and seek to do half marathons, go for hardtail alu or carbon depending on you budget.

    2.) Terrain

    Keeping in mind the weight considerations mentioned above, if you do rougher terrain (rocky descents, corrugated gravel etc.) riding, a dual suspension is for you. Riding good condition gravel mostly? Hardtail is perfect, although I do think that a dual suspension will be more comfortable in marathon / stage races. Carbon / alu? See point above.

    3.) Competitive levels

    This is a bit of a debatable point, as the correct answer will be to have both. Dual sus for the harder / technical stuff, and hardtail for your faster races. Still need to choose one? If you are a competitve racer, go for the carbon hard tail, it is cheaper to maintain (assuming you are training a lot) and gives you the edge when climbing or sprinting to the finish line. Rougher descents and corrugated gravel will slow you down though (see point 2)

    This is my criteria when giving advice on the subject.

    O only changed to a carbon dualy end of last year (from a 26" GT alu hard tail) and I must say it really makes a difference in your longer rides. (I am fairly light weight, so an alu frame would also have worked).

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