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    Halon - IF you can get one... Its iligal

    The 2 options available; CO2 of DCP?

    Pro's DCP
    ABC Fire Class ratting
    Good (Not great) knock down power

    Con's DCP:
    It is corrosive!!!!!!!! Meaning it will eat into your electrical system eventually

    Pro's CO2:
    ABC Fire Class Rating

    Con's CO2
    Not so great knock down power
    Can be toxic when used in confined spaces.

    I carry a CO2 in my car by choice, SWAMBO (Better qualified in this field than me) carries a DCP

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    For completeness here is a local maker/supplier of the sticks.
    The small ones are too small to anything in my opinion. But the large one 13b helped a friend recently put out a house fire when they had a local sub station go over voltage and his bedroom curtains and bed caught alight.
    http://www.firestryker.co.za/About-FireStryker

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErichV View Post
    I did a fire fighting coarse once and the instructer also said dry powder is best and another thing is not to open the bonnet completely but only open with the lever and then spray the powder inside the engin bay to where the fire is.
    I once (when I was 20) had a fire in my engine bay due to a dodgy sound installation (by me). Noticed the smoke and stopped at the nearest petrol station. There was smoke coming from under the bonnet, when I opened it up the smoke turned into a ball of flames. DCP extinguisher from the petrol station stopped it immediately, also had to cut the wire from the battery that caused it all. That day I learned how dangerous 12volt can be. People tend to think 12volt is safe because its lower than 220. Every vehicle, trailer, and caravan should be fitted with a fire extinguisher, and people often dont know how to put out a fire either. I did a basic fire fighting course, and simple things can make a huge difference.

    3 most important tips:
    1. Aim at the base of the fire, not the flames.
    2. DCP extinguishers, even if you shake it every few weeks, still do this. When you get the extinguisher, on your way to the fire, sling it upside down 3 times to loosen the powder.
    3. When you press the lever, the fire extinguisher is finished, you cant use some now and save the rest for later. So when you start to discharge, empty the extinguisher, even if you think the fire is out. Flare ups happen very quickly because the material is still hot. If the fire is out after a short burst, keep spraying as the powder will smother the source.
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    Are those Fire Stryker units still available locally?

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    Fire extinguishers - does not matter what type are practically totally useless, once the fire takes hold and gets up enough heat.

    A 1kg fire extinguisher is as useless as a fishing rod in fighting fires.

    Unless you are fully trained in fire fighting AND catch the fire in it's initial stages, i.e. as it starts.

    9kg and over you have a better reasonable chance, however once you discover a vehicle fire and have got over the initial scare and recovered enough to think about the fx and how to put it out. And you still need to get the fx going and the fire extinguishing medium to the right area. It is too late, vehicle fires with petrol are very difficult to put out and escalate very rapidly.

    Watch any car or engine fire and see how difficult it is to extinguish. Dry power has no cooling, and the fire starts again as soon as the power blows away.

    Putting a established tyre fire(on a red hot rim from brake binding) or engine fire out takes many years of practice, a 9kg dcp fx is about the size to carry. A great big heavy thing, that takes up lots of room. A big 9kg fx is not practical.

    A 9 kg fx is a band aid, any thing smaller is a waste of time.

    The countries where it is law to carry, it is a money making racket. and the person that made that rule - knows nothing about fires.

    A little fx is a false sense of security. and a waste of time, especially as only a few people get to be trained use them.

    Do I carry a big 9kg no, do I carry a 1.5kg dcp yes. But only in my cruiser, because that's my camping / traveling vehicle and there are very, very few alternatives.

    Prevention, prevention stop that fire from starting in the first place.

    How many 9kg fire extinguishers have I discharged - thousands? The smallest one was a 1.5kg dcp and the biggest fire extinguisher was combination double barrelled one:- a 1000kg dcp and a 1500Lts of specialist fire fighting premixed foam - that discharged at the same time via two nozzles. What a beast. Many 9kg CO2, a few bcf, and a few foam. And many 50kg dcp fire extinguishers.

    I must admit I do miss my fire instructor days. We could burn 10 000Lts on a one day fire fighting course, that was fun.


    One day somebody will invent some thing that works, until that happens..... the little fx is all we have in our vehicles.
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    If fuel is not involved and you catch it early, you still have a chance with a 1.5Kg Fx.
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    I did a few fire fighting courses in the Navy, learned a hell of a lot as I went as far as aircraft and chopper rescue.

    If you get a chance to do a course, I would recommend it.

    If you don't know how to use the equipment and what to do, an extinguisher is basically worthless.



    Two things that I never thought possible, that I learned were, you can extinguish some fuel fires with water if you know how, and metal does burn at high temperatures.
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    Off the vehicle subject, but on house fires.

    It is critical for home fires, every home should have a garden hose pipe with a decent nozzle that can reach all the way around your house. The plastic nozzles at any hardware is good enough.

    A garden hose pipe might not get that house fire out, BUT will stop the fire shredding and absorb enough heat to prevent further spread and damage, it buys you time to get the fire department in, to extinguish the fire.

    Can also be used on a oil pot fire on the stove and a car petrol fire if you know what you are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K-9 View Post
    Can also be used on a oil pot fire on the stove and a car petrol fire if you know what you are doing.

    But for most people this is a big no-no. Don't try it, you will just make it worse.

    For oil in pot rather use a lid.
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    Totally agree, but the water spray is not used in the oil fire, but used to absorb the heat from the fire above the pot, stopping the fire spreading to other parts of the house. i.e. ceiling, cupboards, curtains, etc.

    The best fire extinguisher for a burning oil pot is a lid or cutting board or wet towel, etc. even dcp fx is dangerous, as people get too close and push the burning oil out the pot, shredding the fire.

    Burning oil pot is so dangerous, water turns to stream instantly - water>stream it expands over 270 times it's volume instantly, pushing the oil out the pot like a piston. this is instant and now more air gets to the oil turning everything on fire, fire ball.

    Water spray by a trained person - directed above the pot turns to steam and absorbs the heat and prevents fire spread. also gives a person a better chance to put the lid on the burning pot.
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    * 1994 Land-Cruiser J70 DIESEL P/U, my truck recovery vehicle. 15000 warn winch. And 3.5ton tirfor winch. Back full of appropriate sized recovery gear. BFG31x10.5 muds
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    * 2006 FORD ranger 2.5 diesel. 4x4, (what was I thinking, also not a Toyota!) I have a spare 5000 warn winch I might fit.
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    * FIONA - Rhino Yamaha 660 4x4. Warn winch. Mud tyres
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    In addition to all the above, make sure that the cars' ignition is off and even remove the keys from the ignition.

    I have seen too many fuel pump relays being bypassed or bypass wires fitted and the relay removed all together. Disconnect the battery as soon as you are able to. Keep your vehicle at a safe distance away if not yours on fire and keep yourself safe, be aware of the type of clothing you are wearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-9 View Post
    every home should have a garden hose pipe with a decent nozzle that can reach all the way around your house. The plastic nozzles at any hardware is good enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by K-9 View Post
    Totally agree, but the water spray is not used in the oil fire, but used to absorb the heat from the fire above the pot, stopping the fire spreading to other parts of the house. i.e. ceiling, cupboards, curtains, etc. Water spray by a trained person - directed above the pot turns to steam and absorbs the heat and prevents fire spread. also gives a person a better chance to put the lid on the burning pot.
    Educate me please. if I have a nozzle with different settings, should I use the mist option to spray above the oil fire, or would you need a more substantial volume of water?

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    A kitchen oil pot fire is incredibly dangerous, if left even for a few minutes the fire is in through your ceiling, and good by house.

    The danger is not just the fire, but the hot oil itself. Only vapor burns not the liquid, so the surface of the fire cannot get any bigger, because it is restricted by the pot, flames will get bigger due to more oil being vaporising and more vapour burning above the pot. IF it was outside, the safest thing would be, kill the power to the stove and walk away, within a few minutes the oil would burn away and the fire goes out safely, by it's self.

    However, inside a house you have lots and lots of fuel to burn, a ceiling with wooden rafters, curtains, cupboards, etc.

    So walking away is not going to work.

    The worst thing you can do is move or try moving the burning pot as if you spill you increase the surface area of the oil and spilt oil will burn. Friends of ours, one Sunday while sitting around the pool decided to make chips. The oil was on the stove and soon forgotten, the family all in costumes panicked. The daughter ran to phone to call the fire department. The husband ran to the kitchen but could not find the lid in the smoke, the wife ran to get a watering can in the garden, the teenage son took off his towel and used it to carry the burning pot. Which became increasingly hotter and hotter, until he could not take the heat anymore, he threw the burning oil out the back door -- as the mom came running into the kitchen from outside. She, totally covered in very hot burning oil engulfed in flames ran backwards and fell into the pool. Lucky for her.

    The fire on the ground burnt out by itself as the fuel burnt up.

    Her intention was to pour water into the burning pot, which would have killed her and burnt the house down. As there would have been a instant fire ball, which when it hits the ceiling rolls back down again setting everything, and I mean everything in the room alight. The son by pouring burning oil all over her saved her life(!!)

    Simply putting the lid on the pot would have put the fire out.

    However an advanced oil fire is scary with massive flames and monstrous amounts of black smoke.

    DO NOT DIRECT WATER INTO THE POT. A simple garden hose from a safe distance can prevent the stuff in the kitchen catching alight and a water spray can reduce the heat being given off by the fire, heat trapped by the ceiling, this super heat if reduced buy you time to get to the pot to put a lid on. Or time for professionals to arrive.

    I must repeat, do not put water on a oil pot fire. But a well directed water spray absorbing the heat and a stream of water on the curtains and cupboards, etc, can buy you time.

    For a vehicle fire the best combination is a dcp fire extinguisher and a garden hose. Don't worry about water and fuel, with a vehicle fire, as the fuel is in the tank and vehicle fuel tanks don't explode, it's only in the movies.
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    * 1994 Land-Cruiser J70 DIESEL P/U, my truck recovery vehicle. 15000 warn winch. And 3.5ton tirfor winch. Back full of appropriate sized recovery gear. BFG31x10.5 muds
    * 2014 Land-Cruiser LX V8 76 DIESEL STATION WAGON, BFG's 285 all terrain.
    * 1988 HILUX TOYOTA 4x4 D/C.
    SOLD 2020 Jan.
    * 2011 HILUX 4X4 P/U, BFG 31x10.5 all terrain
    * 1999 PAJERO 3.5 V6 Mitsubishi (sorry not a Toyota), BFG 31x10.5 all terrain
    * 2006 FORD ranger 2.5 diesel. 4x4, (what was I thinking, also not a Toyota!) I have a spare 5000 warn winch I might fit.
    * 2011 Isuzu bakkie 4x4
    * FIONA - Rhino Yamaha 660 4x4. Warn winch. Mud tyres
    * 4x4 trailer, 1987, BFG all terrain
    * GSA 1200 BMW ADVENTURE LC 2018, the closest motorbike to a land cruiser
    * A Massey Fergusson 375 tractor. Not BFG's and not a 4x4




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    Quote Originally Posted by skipskrop View Post
    Had a fire. Had a small dry powder extinguisher. Opened bonnet. Pulled the pin. Aimed at fire. Pulled the trigger. It said: "phoooooooofff" and that was that. Fire returned. Had to grab sand and water and that was one hell of a fight to get the electrical fire out. Had to rip the terminals off the battery in the end coz it didnt stop from flaring back on fire over and over and over.

    Get the fire stick. The more expensive one. Finish and klaar its what you need. Trust me I been through it....

    Maybe not for yourself, but your house or neighbour's or somebody in need and you have it at hand, or fellow 4x4 enthusiast or fellow camper etc etc...

    That fire stick is the absolute wizzard in extinguishing fires for sure.
    So we all know that safety is paramount, so have both.

    Where do we buy these fire sticks?

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