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    Default LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    I am currently in the market for a new LC/D4 or wait for D5 so decided to investigate the LC 200 hype.

    Being a D4 owner and LR owner since 2005, 2x Defenders, 1 x Freelander , 2 X D3's and 2 X D4's, I decided to test a LC 200 and compare it to my D4. I have now spoken to a few LC 200 owners and got their valid opinions as well as one owner who also owns a D4.

    My review below regarding my main observations after driving a LC for 223km's including 12 km's of rocky,sandy,steep hills, some mud conditions:

    1. D4 feels more compact and sits lower than LC.
    2. D4 front seats much more comfortable, longer in leg area and holds better so much better on long drive. Rear seats more comfortable in LC apart from middle seat and rear seats also recline.
    3. D4 feels smaller but is in fact only about 150mm shorter, 20mm wider and 30mm lower...approx figures.
    4. D4 Air suspension ground clearance up to 80 mm higher in offroad mode.
    5. D4 dash layout and button controls much more ergonomic. Everything flows better and much easier to use.
    6. D4 sat nav faster and more up to date and has T4A built in.
    7. D4 screen slightly recessed and not as affected by sunlight whereas LC screen is bigger and easier to read, it is badly affected by sunl glare.
    8. D4 Meridian sound system much better quality.
    9. D4 adaptive Bi-Xenons not as bright as LC Bi-Led.
    10.D4 engine idle quieter.
    11. Both cars feel very solid with quality fittings.
    12. D4 has no grab handles on A pillar.
    13. D4 no sunvisor mirror light...very important for the ladies.
    14. D4 has epb, LC good old handbrake.
    15. D4 8 speed vs 6 speed. Both gearboxes very smooth changes.
    16. Both aircons highly efficient.
    17. Centre console fridge much larger in LC ,cools faster and maintains temp better.
    18. D4 has sunroof and panorama roof. LC none but stays much cooler in the sun.
    19. Road and wind noise the same.
    20. D4 seats are fold flat giving better packing/load area.
    21. D4 last row seats much more comfortable. With LC you cannot sit comfortable. Only an issue if you actually use the last row seats.
    22. Both boots large and easy packing.
    23. D4 has tonneau cover, LC optional because of fold up seats.
    24. LC tool storage in tailgate much more user friendly.
    25. Easier to remove LC spare wheel.
    26. D4 has 255/55/19, LC has 285/60/18 tyres.
    27. LC has inverter power sockets.

    LC has quite a few more extra features than D4 such as adaptive cruise control, heated and cooled front seats, heated rear seats, front recording camera,138l fuel tank,lane keep assist, spare wheel lock as far as I remember.

    Driving:

    The LC feels huge and powerful. The V8 diesel is responsive and suffers no lag on pull away unlike the D4 which is a major irritation to me. D4 much more nimble and agile on the road and air suspension lowers according to higher speed giving a much more planted feeling. Steering direct and precise, LC feels a bit vague. LC sits strongly on the road and feels like a high speed tank, eating up bumps and corrugations like minor irritations. Neither car even feels a speed bump and sails over without any discomfort. D4 feels a bit less bumpy though especially in 3rd lane on N3 between Rivonia and William Nicol. Slow lane joggers tend to be more scared of the LC and move left quickly. Both cars cruise effortlessly but I felt more relaxed in the LC and pretty unstoppable. The power delivery and responsiveness of the V8 although less kw than D4 feels more powerful. When foot is put flat, the V8 roars like a fat chick whereas the SDV 6 whines like a Sandton chick on diet. The D4 lags then lurches whereas the LC is more controlled.

    Braking in both about the same. Cruiser wallows through the bends and takes more steering effort. Disco has more direct body roll surprisingly enough.

    Overtaking power in LC better and gearing plays a part in this. LC has eco drive mode for farmers grannies. This is nice around town BUT the LC is not a town car, it is just too big and not easy to park in most shopping centres. Turning circle much greater than D4, maybe a meter.

    Offroad: LC feels more stable on dirt but this is subjective as the D4 is also fantastic. On rocky trail, the LC MTS select is more controlled as well as HDC which is not as abrupt as D4 and feels more controlled. The crawl function works really well in thick sand and seems to almost pull the cruiser through. D4 in sand needs a lot of power and throttle control. Over some smallish sharp angle sand dunes the LC spare wheel did drag a bit whereas D4 with better clearance did not suffer issues. Cruisers grunt and torque though feels less stressed offroad. I did notice some strange creaking sounds from LC in crawl mode. Width of the LC and wider tyres make it feel more comfortable when conditions are bumpy. The D4 suspension stiffens a lot and not as comfortable. On some obstacles cruiser felt like it was floating along. Both vehicles are fantastic in all conditions but I think the LC will outperform the D4 in dunes purely because of the engine power and delivery and the better tyres. In sand the D4 seems easy to bog down and wheel spin initially causes problems even with DSC off and rock crawl or sand mode used. I have done a lot of beach launching of boats and can feel that the LC will be better for this application. Rocky conditions the D4 higher suspension clearance makes light work of conditions but cruiser also breezes along. The D4 rear diiflock also works really well whereas the LC relies on Atrac if I am not mistaken. This works really well in wet slippery conditions. Overall a very close test between the 2 that leaves no clear favourite.

    Unfortunately I was able to o any towing test but based upon feedback from owners this seems better than the D4.

    So my final decision came down to the age old head( LC) vs heart(D4) conundrum...and what the 'boss's' opinion is and she has not liked the SDV6 since day 1 considering my previous D's were V8's!

    The Cruiser instills a feeling of unbreakability,reliability and toughness although with absolute refinement. The D4 now with the SDV6 sword hanging over it does not inspire the same confidence(maybe all in the mind)?

    Coming down to apples vs apples, the Cruiser offers better value for money than the D4. Considering from 2005 onwards, the D3 and later the D4 compared to the Prado and in the last 2 years now the 200. The 200 is more in the league of the RR features and engine wise.

    Both vehicles though have their foibles and neither is the perfect allrounder but based on my experiences the LC is the closest to the best allrounder.

    I am pretty sure that this will be a longer term vehicle for me so it makes sense to choose the LC 200...at least in my mind.

    The next big issue was to source a LC 200 VX...some dealers with waiting lists up to 9 months. I was lucky enough to find a cancelled order one today, literally 2 minutes after client cancelled and signed the OTP.

    Pics will follow once delivery taken.
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Bruce firstly congratulations on your new purchase. Many happy miles I wish upon you.Secondly thank you for a rather thorough and objective report. You answered a number of questions for me. I would also have gone for the Cruiser(personal taste and opinion), but I am surprised to see on which points you scored the Cruiser higher. Acceleration for instance and rough road comfort are real surprises to hear the Cruiser is your choice.

    Enjoy!
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congrats on the Cruiser...
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congrats... many happy miles
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Funny had the same thought on options and also went the LC route.
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Good for you.

    Enjoy the LC !!

    Must say - I love my D4 but the LC seems like the best other option ... if only I could get past the looks - haha - but that is a personal view

    Cheers

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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congrats!

    A change is as good as a holiday!

    So where will your first holiday be to in your Cruiser?

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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    And we have Nissan with nothing in that market segment and no firm date for the Y62 diesel..............Sometimes I wonder how they keep going.
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Quote Originally Posted by JurgenSteyn View Post
    Congrats!

    A change is as good as a holiday!

    So where will your first holiday be to in your Cruiser?
    Thanks Jurgen. 10-13 Nov at Marakele.
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congratulations. Probably the most sensible option right now.
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    Congratulations! Wishing you miles of smiles
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congrats, the noise the Crawl Control makes is normal, it takes some getting used to but its a fantasticaly capable system!!



    "I did notice some strange creaking sounds from LC in crawl mode"
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    7 LR in 10 years....? Makes one think
    Some people think Enduro Bikes is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude!I can assure them its much more serious than that

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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Well written Bruce and I think your technical observations are spot on.

    The LC200 sits right between the D4 and RR at the price tag of a D4.

    If I have to buy a Toyota one day it has to be a LC200!
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Luckily this does not upset me at all. I am not envious.










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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceHun View Post
    Thanks Jurgen. 10-13 Nov at Marakele.
    Enjoy Marakele .One of my favourites!
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    You ask this question in the Toyota section. You will get biased answers
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Quote Originally Posted by StefanSvr View Post
    7 LR in 10 years....? Makes one think
    People replace vehicles for different reasons. I had 8 Isuzu bakkies in 10 years, not because I had problems with it, but I wanted to and was in the position to replace bakkies at about 40000km. In hindsight it was stupid, financially. Young and naive, I think it's called😀

    If a person had 8 *insert any brand here* in 10 years, it doesn't tell me anything about the brand, be it positive or negative.
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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    No, I understand it, if I had the money that could be a possibility. It's just that comparing long term ownership (that was not the intention in the original post) would put a way other dimension in the comparison...
    Some people think Enduro Bikes is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude!I can assure them its much more serious than that

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    Default Re: LC 200 VX vs D4 SDV6 HSE

    Congrats on the Cruiser.

    Reading your comparison was very interesting, the LC outscored the D4 on a few items that I always thought the D4 is untouchable on.
    Current: LC200 4.7P - Back in the Toyota stable
    Ex: Touareg V6 TDi - Sold at 145 000 km. More breakdowns in 2 years than all other vehicles combined in 20.
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    Ex: Fortuner D4D - Sold at 267 000 km.
    Ex: Hilux 2.7i - Sold at 241 000 km.
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