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    Default Re: Found Interesting 4x4 : 1971 Steyr Puch Pinzgauer 710 M

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stoffel View Post
    Q20 down the sparkplug hole and turn the engin without the plugs to get the oil to all the places. If the oil presure light on the dash goes off then the new oil is where it should be and the oil film layer is restored and old oil is flushed away. Or something like this!
    Yep, penetrating oil for 3 days, turn over using a spanner on the crank, then spin without plugs to get oil pressure up.

    Only then reinstall the plugs and try start her.
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    Just been looking at a few vids on Youtube. These seem to be really nice and capable toys!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgwsg1ZBJE
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    Thanks, will do that. Just to recap (I'm VERY stupid with these things!!)

    1) Drain engine oil
    2) Put fresh oil
    3) Spray penetrating oil into spark holes
    4) Leave 3 days
    5) Drool
    6) Put new plugs and try starting her up

    If for some reason I do'nt get the correct spec oil for the 2,5 Pinz on the Net, what is a "safe allround" grade and make of oil??

    I just wanna get her started (or not) first, and then I'll hand her over to Oom Gys, our resident older car mechanic.

    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petri Oosthuizen View Post
    Thanks, will do that. Just to recap (I'm VERY stupid with these things!!)

    1) Drain engine oil
    2) Put fresh oil
    3) Spray penetrating oil into spark holes
    4) Leave 3 days
    5) Drool
    6) Put new plugs and try starting her up

    If for some reason I do'nt get the correct spec oil for the 2,5 Pinz on the Net, what is a "safe allround" grade and make of oil??

    I just wanna get her started (or not) first, and then I'll hand her over to Oom Gys, our resident older car mechanic.

    Thanks again
    Do NOT start her up! Turn the engin without the plugs. Read the posts regarding this again! Post 21 NB!
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    Default Re: Found Interesting 4x4 : 1971 Steyr Puch Pinzgauer 710 M

    Some more info: The Red Highlight sounds interesting, I'd have thought that this may lack low-down grunt.8)

    Pinzgauer capabilities[edit]
    The Pinzgauer is a highly accomplished off-road vehicle. Its capabilities, in some operational scenarios, are better than that of the Humvee and the Land Rover Defender.

    45 approach and departure angles
    100% slope, or until tyres lose traction
    700 millimetres (27.6 in) fording depth
    Can climb down a 360 millimetres (14.2 in) wall
    43.5 side-slope
    1000/1500 kg of payload (44/66)
    335 millimetres (13.2 in) of clearance (lowest point when fully loaded)
    top speed (44): 110 kilometres per hour (68 mph); (66): 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph)
    Full engine power available at 4 kilometres per hour (2 mph)
    M body type carries 10 people (44), 14 people (66)
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    Default Re: Found Interesting 4x4 : 1971 Steyr Puch Pinzgauer 710 M

    Lovely vehicles, those. I saw one in Bellville a few months back, on CL plates.

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    Default Re: Found Interesting 4x4 : 1971 Steyr Puch Pinzgauer 710 M

    You will be mightily surprised, that is an offroad monster.
    Replace the fluids, filters etc, make sure no surprise new leaks.
    Also remember to turn engine without plugs initially,
    Then, when confirmed loose, spin without the plugs
    Then only, fit plugs and try to fire up...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipside View Post
    Die oupa van die Unimog en die G-Wagon...
    Lieflike voertuig


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    Follow the process as many have stated to start it but also check that you don't have any fuel leaks, specifically out the carb - old man nearly lost one of the Alfas in his collection that had been standing the other day due to a carb leaking fuel. Thankfully he had a big fire extinguisher in the workshop.
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    As jy verkoop, is ek eerste in ry....

    Soos ek dit het kan jy pre 2001 nog LHD registreer. En in sekere gevalle dink ek nog tot 2004...
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    Oil, filter and plugs are not the biggest issue in my mind initially (as long as it has oil and there is no water in the oil). Your biggest concerns are (1) old petrol which you don't want gumming up your carbs and (2) a dry water pump seal and bearing.

    Drain all the petrol and dispose thereof. Willys workshop manual suggests adding a litre or so of acetone to 20l of petrol to dissolve the old petrol. Use, don't use it.

    Secondly, get water and a lubricant in the radiator. For me, Bar's leaks has really worked to soften the seals. One bottle only though.

    Then turn over the engine by hand with some penetrant in the plug holes (a bit of atf works too) and listen for noises. Remember, your engine only stood for a year, so 3 days' oiling seems unnecessary since this is what you do to an engine that has stood for many years.

    Now turn the engine with the starter (remove coil wire beforehand).until you have oil pressure (get some oil everywhere).

    Reconnect coil wire and go for the start. Once it starts, runs and has warmed up (cleaning the engine a bit and dumping it in the old oil filter), then drain the oil and replace the filter. Plugs are, if still decent, your last worry and can be reused.

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    Reenen as jy hom nie vat is ek 2e! Hehehe. Lekker speel Petri!
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    Quote Originally Posted by locklaw View Post
    Oil, filter and plugs are not the biggest issue in my mind initially (as long as it has oil and there is no water in the oil). Your biggest concerns are (1) old petrol which you don't want gumming up your carbs and (2) a dry water pump seal and bearing.

    Drain all the petrol and dispose thereof. Willys workshop manual suggests adding a litre or so of acetone to 20l of petrol to dissolve the old petrol. Use, don't use it.

    Secondly, get water and a lubricant in the radiator. For me, Bar's leaks has really worked to soften the seals. One bottle only though.

    Then turn over the engine by hand with some penetrant in the plug holes (a bit of atf works too) and listen for noises. Remember, your engine only stood for a year, so 3 days' oiling seems unnecessary since this is what you do to an engine that has stood for many years.

    Now turn the engine with the starter (remove coil wire beforehand).until you have oil pressure (get some oil everywhere).

    Reconnect coil wire and go for the start. Once it starts, runs and has warmed up (cleaning the engine a bit and dumping it in the old oil filter), then drain the oil and replace the filter. Plugs are, if still decent, your last worry and can be reused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by locklaw View Post
    Remember, your engine only stood for a year, so 3 days' oiling seems unnecessary since this is what you do to an engine that has stood for many years.
    I had an Essex V6 rust up solid on me within 3 months due to a small leak in one cylinder.

    Any moisture in that sump could have caused havoc.

    I like to err on the side of caution.

    Use it, or don't, it was just free advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    I had an Essex V6 rust up solid on me within 3 months due to a small leak in one cylinder.

    Any moisture in that sump could have caused havoc.

    I like to err on the side of caution.

    Use it, or don't, it was just free advice.
    Understood and one can always be very cautious, but then when turning by hand you would have felt that motor being locked up or making noises. The small leak was invariably water so this you would have seen either in the oil or spurting from the open plug when the engine is turned.

    Either way, Petri is the man who gets to decide what he deems sufficient.

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    Jelo, mentioning a Ford V6 in the same thread as some of Europe's finest is sacrilege!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    Jelo, mentioning a Ford V6 in the same thread as some of Europe's finest is sacrilege!
    indeed

    I apologise

    I was younger and stupider when I had one

    perhaps little has changed except my age
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    The Pinz arrived on Friday, VERY nice, I was pleasantly surprised to find it in better nick than even the pics suggested. Very complete, it even has the full sets of canvas tops to turn it into a pickup/bimini top/etc etc.
    The seats are like new, as are the back benches. Mileage is a true-looking 41606 km (Yes, 41606). It has a metal "military style" cooler box, lined with foam, behind the driver at the back, and 2 extra metal boxes for storing stuff next to it. VERY cool stuff!!

    I tried to change the LF flat tyre this afternoon, using a HL jack, and almost killed myself when the jack tilted over. Anyway.
    I cleaned out the interior, chucked the mattress/spade/axe/HL jack/bottle jack and a tonne of other goodies out the back, it looks even better.
    Sprayed Q10 into the plug holes as best I could - the engine is a flat 4, so it's difficult to get the Q10 in.
    VERY strange vehicle.....the dash has this 12 little lights, I guess they're some fuse box thing. Difflock levers all feel 110% on the hydraulics, as does the gear lever, the clutch feels fine, brake pedal is 100%, and the engine is completely dry. If you take the engine cover off, there's this huge "tunnel" in front of it, between the 2 front seats, where the engine cooling fan sucks in air. VERY VERY over-engineered car this!!
    The engine oil smells and looks great, levels are where they should be.
    But I'm sort of stuck:
    1) The Pinz is supposed to be a 24 Volt, and I found 24v spare globes at the back, so I assume it still is the original 24v system.
    1.1) How do I actually KNOW that it is 24v, and that the owner hasn't changed it to 12v??
    1,2) If 24v, I guess I'll need 2 batteries (there is space for 2 in the battery box)?
    1,3) How do I connect the 2 batteries, like which cable goes where if I want 24 Volts?? In plain language please, I know NOTHING about parallel/series etc etc connections.

    I'd like to get the battery(ies) and give this a swing. Rudi thanks for the advise on disconnecting the plugs first - I'll just swing it and see what happens.

    How do I turn the engine with a spanner....?

    Thanks guys, I'm gonna flood you with questions over the next few weeks. And pics.
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    If 24V connect as follows: first battery's positive to vehicle's pos. then the same battery's neg to the second battery's pos and the second battery's neg to the vehicle's neg.

    Petri, to turn the engine jack up one wheel, put in top gear and turn the wheel by hand. Just make sure its not switched on, it might start!
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    Petri to connect 2 12v batteries for 24v place the the 2 next to 1 another with their poles opposite ie the one will have the positive to the front and negative to the rear .The next battery should be front negative and the rear positive .Then you connect a connecting cable between the rear + and - so that leaves you with the front + and - the + one will be towards your starter motor and the - 1 to earth or chassis hope you understand my explanation.

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