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    Not 4x4 related, but has anyone bought one of these for their business.

    Little 1.4 td motor (52kw), one ton load. Looks like Kia 2700 or Hyundai bakkie.

    As far as I can make out they have been around since about 2012 and the earlier ones had gearbox issues. That seems to be sorted but I would like to know if there are any other snags.

    Pricing atm is R140 000 including a canopy.

    Opinions please ...

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    I think you'll be better off with a Daihatsu Gran Max.

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    YES DIAHATSU GRAN MAX IS BETTER BUY. Got 2 of them and very happy and problem free, drives like a corsa or np200. airbags/abs/aircon. etc. The other day i was at Menlyn Multi franchise and there were 5 tata super aces at the back with there engine stripped out, one had two old engine block on the back. I use the Gran max as my daily driver and it is very nippy and comfortable as i am 6'1.
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    Thanks guys.

    Can the Grand max handle a load ? I transport veggies and I need something that can compete with my present Colt LDV's .

    1 ton bakkie prices are just crazy, especially as I have to give them to drivers who pull everything through ...........

    For a small business to spend 400+k on 2 vehicles is just not affordable.
    2nd hand the prices are not much better and the reliability of them with 100k kms on is also a worry.

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    Shane do you drive yourself or do you have a driver?

    Reason I ask, remember turbo diesels don't like inconsiderate driving, and I see plenty of these smaller delivery vehicles bring hammered by their drivers on a daily basis. The petrol engine in the Gran Max is bulletproof, you can rev it 6000 all day long and it won't break. I wouldn't trust the small turbo diesel in the Tata to handle the same abuse for long.

    As for load, I believe the Gran Max is rated at 1 ton. The only downside is Daihatsu is no longer in SA, but you can still get spares quite easily.

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    Something like this will give you many years of excellence service:

    DAIHATSU GRAN MAX 1.5 DROPSIDE HIGH SPEC on Gumtree http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakk...90910360128309

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    Speak to Uys. I think he has the Daihatsu.
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    Thanks for the replies, guys.

    Johan, I do not normally drive the vehicles myself, the drivers do tend to nail the vehicles. Trackers are fitted to my vehicles and they do get disciplined if they transgress. It doesn't stop them from over-reving though.

    I went to look at the Tata, and it won't be able to take the punch (IMHO) It is rated for 1 ton, but if you load a ton on it, it probably won't make it up Tygerberg hill. The salesman actually advised me that it won't handle a ton, and a safe load would be about 750 kg.

    If I bought a pallet of potatoes or tomatoes, I'd have to do 2 trips just to get them back to my store...

    I am rather going to hold onto my colts for now, and keep looking for 2 decent 2nd hand bakkies.

    My vehicles work damn hard and a breakdown is not only time consuming and expensive, but also very dangerous to my business. Customers don't want to know about your problems, they want their stock so that they can trade.

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    My own experience - use it, or lose it. Your choice.

    We bought a TATA Super Ace for our company late last year, and to be quite honest the Super Ace is not fit for purpose.

    We purchased the vehicle with an original (supplied and fitted by dealer) towbar, as specified in their list of options. The vehicle came with a canopy as standard.
    We paid cash. In retrospect, perhaps not the best route to follow...

    Problems experienced:

    • Upon delivery, the airconditioner did not work at all. Turned out the Pre-delivery inspection had not been completed properly, and a third party had to be called in to rectify the matter as the dealership workshop was unable to assist. Airconditioner had no gas whatsoever.
    • The power steering hose coupling failed and emptied the reservoir onto my driveway a week or so after delivery. I took it back to the dealer's workshop, was told it is a common fault, that almost all the Super Aces they sold had suffered this problem, and as a result thereof they had no spares left to fix our vehicle. Eventually the dealer had a hose made up to get me out of his hair.
    • Vehicle had a massive drivetrain vibration from around 70km/h through to around 90 km/h. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.
    • Brakes had a very disconcerting grinding/whining sound once they had been warmed up - nothing when cold, progressively louder as they warmed up. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.
    • Electrics were problematic - sometimes the vehicle could not be switched off. Turning the key to "off" and removing it merely activated the steering lock. Engine had to be stalled via the drivetrain. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.
    • Airconditioner did not always activate when needed. To resolve this, the vehicle had to be switched off completely and restarted, whereupon it would (mostly) then be possible to activate the airconditioner. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.
    • Passenger window fell right out of its guides, into the door. Fortunately this was a few days before the first service. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.
    • Vehicle overheats chronically at any speed over 100km/h, unless the ambient temperature is in the early teens or below. Technical "specialists" from TATA promised to fix this at (you guessed it) the first service. Same technical "specialists" maintained that the Super Ace should NEVER be used for towing (despite the towbar being an original equipment option) and insisted that overheating was an impossibility because India has higher ambient temperatures than South Africa.
    • Handbrake cables are mounted on the rear suspension, near the rear drums, and these mounting brackets (one per side) broke shortly after purchase. Dealer promised to fix at the first service.



    The technical "specialists" promised to meet with us on several occasions so that we could show them the problems (especially the overheating) first-hand, but for some inexplicable reason were never able to attend any of these meetings when the ambient temperature was over the 'teens...

    One DID, however, manage to meet with us when the ambient temperature was around 13 degrees, and then declared that there was absolutely NO problem with the vehicle overheating.





    Anyway, following the first service, the following was experienced:

    • Drivetrain vibration is now experienced starting at 90km/h, and just gets progressively worse as speed increases.
    • Brake pads were "chamfered". Noise and grinding persists.
    • Electrics are still exactly as before, still occasionally unable to switch car off via key.
    • Airconditioner still sometimes refuses to operate unless vehicle switched off and restarted.
    • Passenger window is now back in place, but rattles a bit.
    • Vehicle STILL overheats at any speed over 100km/h, but now also smokes badly - apparently they increased fuelling to try cooling the engine at speed.
    • Handbrake cable mounting brackets were not replaced - handbrake cables still flopping around unsecured.
    • And a new wrinkle: the glass in the (Beekman) canopy 'door' has since started falling out, to the point where it must be reinserted in the rubber weekly.

    Oh, the fuel consumption? Nowhere NEAR the 7,14l/100km advertised, especially since the first service. We haven't been able to get under 9l/100km (a trip to Cape Town averaging around 90km/h on the open road) and the normal average is well over 10l/100km. Very disappointing, particularly when you cannot exceed 100km/h for very long without overheating, even with a load of under 500kg or no load at all!



    A meeting with the dealer principal stating the vehicle was not fit for purpose got us no denial of that fact (unfit for purpose) but no admission either, the offer of a full trade-in value (R106,000.00) on the vehicle, plus 15% discount on a new Kia bakkie, providing we bought said Kia. But obviously nothing if we didn't purchase the replacement vehicle from the dealership.



    Shopping around, the next-best trade-in offer we got was R70,000.00 if we purchased a Half-Million-Rand truck.
    The rest of the trade-in offers have all been in the region of R50,000.00
    For a 3-month-old vehicle, purchased brand-new for cash, with (now) 13,000km on the clock, when the dealer 'bible' lists the trade price at R106,000.00
    And please note, the vehicle has been owner-driven - no speed-jockeys, bogus-licensed, or saboteur drivers.


    I'm not saying ALL these vehicles are exactly the same (or as bad), although discussions with some other Super Ace owners have raised all these and more problems, but if you need 100% (or close) uptime, reliability, and fuel efficiency, you could very probably do a whole lot better, in my humble opinion. Especially if you want value for money and a trade-in value that reflects something like the dealer 'bible' shows.

    Our next stop will of necessity have to be the consumer council.

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