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    Ford surprised Toyota (and us all) with the new shape and engine.
    Looks like Toyota did some surprising of its own.
    I drove the Toyota 2.4 yesterday and wow. Great vehicle. The best thing to me is the gearbox. I drive a 2007 ranger 2.5 and as you all know they aren't known for their great gearbox.
    Other people will appreciate other things but the gearbox sticked with me.

    I would like to see a side by side comparison and extremely in-depth on and off-road report.

    The new Ranger isn't just a visual improvement so will it be close??

    Ford Ranger 2.2 vs Toyota Hilux 2.4
    And...
    Ford Ranger 3.2 vs Toyota Hilux 2.8

    Interesting times....
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    The thing is have you driven the 2016 2.2 Ranger yet? You can't really compare your 2007 to the 2016 Toy..lol??

    Extensive testing has already been done by the Aussies on all the Ute's and the results have been posted numerous times already.

    The amount of Toy...yes that word....ad's on tv is already spoiling my appetite dinner time so I'll be losing a few kilo's this year

    If you need convincing go drive the Ranger and Toy back to back then decide for yourself....
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    One of the magazines (Car mag?) has a shootout (at least according to the front page).

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    I read the Car Magazine shootout. If I had to choose I would go with the Ranger
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    Ive been following the new Ranger vs new Hilux debate with amusement. Watched a couple of drag videos with them in it and have been watching and reading up on all the new bakkies on their way to SA this year with most reviews based in Australia.

    And all i can say is WOW. Those Aussies really know a thing or two about being unbiased and how to do a proper review of a vehicle.

    The reason i say this is simple : The toyota hilux is the best seller in OZ too yet i have not read one review or watched one video where the judges felt it was the overall best.

    Dont get me wrong...i know the hilux is a great vehicle and all the judges came to the same conclusion but overall its just not the best and they were all man enough to admit it.

    The best ,most comprehensive review ive seen so far on 8 of the top selling bakkies you will find here : http://www.motoring.com.au/4wd-dual-...verdict-54508/

    The other strange thing ive noticed is that in australia the Ranger/mazda 3.2 is seen as the strongest overall motor and even in this reviews own speed test it was the quickest of all bakkies. As a matter of interest according to this test the hilux was slowest out of 8. How then did the new Hilux here in SA manage to outsprint the 3.2 ranger? fishy...

    another 8 way test in Oz came to the same conclusion :http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/u...agen-amarok-2/

    and another :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxNY...3u5cd6Yjal1roA

    another: http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-revi...0-review-36349

    I think ive made my point. So strange then that the only 2 reviews that have been done in SA namely CAR magazine and Leisure Wheels have both come to a completely different conclusion than all the journalist and testers above. Kinda does make me wonder who's got who in who's pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUGmug View Post
    Ive been following the new Ranger vs new Hilux debate with amusement. Watched a couple of drag videos with them in it and have been watching and reading up on all the new bakkies on their way to SA this year with most reviews based in Australia.

    And all i can say is WOW. Those Aussies really know a thing or two about being unbiased and how to do a proper review of a vehicle.

    The reason i say this is simple : The toyota hilux is the best seller in OZ too yet i have not read one review or watched one video where the judges felt it was the overall best.

    Dont get me wrong...i know the hilux is a great vehicle and all the judges came to the same conclusion but overall its just not the best and they were all man enough to admit it.

    The best ,most comprehensive review ive seen so far on 8 of the top selling bakkies you will find here : http://www.motoring.com.au/4wd-dual-...verdict-54508/

    The other strange thing ive noticed is that in australia the Ranger/mazda 3.2 is seen as the strongest overall motor and even in this reviews own speed test it was the quickest of all bakkies. As a matter of interest according to this test the hilux was slowest out of 8. How then did the new Hilux here in SA manage to outsprint the 3.2 ranger? fishy...

    another 8 way test in Oz came to the same conclusion :http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/u...agen-amarok-2/

    and another :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxNY...3u5cd6Yjal1roA

    another: http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-revi...0-review-36349

    I think ive made my point. So strange then that the only 2 reviews that have been done in SA namely CAR magazine and Leisure Wheels have both come to a completely different conclusion than all the journalist and testers above. Kinda does make me wonder who's got who in who's pocket.
    Don't know about LW, but Car magazine has, in the history of motoring, never said anything bad about Toyota.

    I know an ex Topcar journalist, and the stories he told about manufacturers "hospitality" toward journalists resulted in me not believing a word they write. Especially when a new model is launched. Why would you write something bad, if the car's maker is dining and wining you in luxury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post
    Don't know about LW, but Car magazine has, in the history of motoring, never said anything bad about Toyota, VW or BMW.

    I know an ex Topcar journalist, and the stories he told about manufacturers "hospitality" toward journalists resulted in me not believing a word they write. Especially when a new model is launched. Why would you write something bad, if the car's maker is dining and wining you in luxury?
    Phixed !

    I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of your post. I used to own a KwikFit Franchise close to the old Ramsay, Parker & Son head office in Pinelands and did a few rigs for connecting the 5th wheel setup they used for speed testing back in the day and had similar chats to some of the journo's

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubbie View Post
    ... manufacturers "hospitality" toward journalists resulted in me not believing a word they write. Especially when a new model is launched. Why would you write something bad, if the car's maker is dining and wining you in luxury?
    Happens in all industries. Nothing strange if you have some buying power behind you to get invited on a fully paid 7 day "factory visit" in Europe or China. Arrive there, stay in a top hotel, spend half a day walking through yet another factory, listen to half a day of how good the products and factory is and spend the rest of the time being taken on fancy sight seeing trips. Will you buy the product even though there are better ones? Sure, if they promise a next trip and a next to see the expansion and upgrades of the factory etc. ... and if you convince your bosses that it's really a good product due to the first hand experience.

    Same in insurance/brokering (has a family member that is a "top" broker). Companies offer overseas prises for the top brokers and the very expensive trip once or twice a year for you and your wife does somewhat cloud the objectivity ...

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    My rant


    http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...d.php?t=245274


    I drives Ford since 1982. Were always very happy with them.


    Now I owned Ford Couriers, Mazda`s, Rangers , Toyota`s Nissans, Isuzu`s and VW`s.


    Most of my vehicles are pushed to their very limit of existence.
    A Mazda B2.2 covered a million km with minimum issues.
    Four Couriers which I sold with 500 000km plus on the clock.
    Rangers with close to 300 000km
    Two Nissan Hardbodies getting close to and over the 600 000km mark.


    Must I now turn around and tell everyone that none of my other bakkies were not as good as the Toyota`s I have owned.


    My motto in life is buy what you like.


    What makes me tired and gatvol is guys that use their 4x4`for shopping and sell them way before 100 000km try to tell me they drive better products.
    It is not what you buy its what you build.

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    Amen Christo

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    My rant


    http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...d.php?t=245274


    I drives Ford since 1982. Were always very happy with them.


    Now I owned Ford Couriers, Mazda`s, Rangers , Toyota`s Nissans, Isuzu`s and VW`s.


    Most of my vehicles are pushed to their very limit of existence.
    A Mazda B2.2 covered a million km with minimum issues.
    Four Couriers which I sold with 500 000km plus on the clock.
    Rangers with close to 300 000km
    Two Nissan Hardbodies getting close to and over the 600 000km mark.


    Must I now turn around and tell everyone that none of my other bakkies were not as good as the Toyota`s I have owned.


    My motto in life is buy what you like.


    What makes me tired and gatvol is guys that use their 4x4`for shopping and sell them way before 100 000km try to tell me they drive better products.
    Dis om daai juk te krap waarvoor toilet papier nie werk nie.

    EK kan nie onthou wanneer laas ek 'n kar langer as 2 jaar gery het nie. Die Lumina was die langste met net oor die 3 jaar, maar dit was my speelding gewees, so tel nie rerig nie.

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    Die Amarok sal 2 jaar oud wees in Augustus, en ek beplan om dit vir ten minste nog 3 jaar te ry. Teen daai tyd behoort ek omtrent 100k km gedoen het.

    Sal dan sien of ek dit sal inruil op die nuwe Amarok, of iets anders of dit hou.
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    Having driven both, the 3.2 (my ownd) and the 2.8 hilux, i am left wanting on the Toyota. I can't fault it but....
    I don't think Toyota has done ENOUGH to be the leader at this stage, they merely caught up with the rest.

    If we consider the history of the Hilux.
    1st with a double cab,
    Last to abandon the solid front axle,
    Last to abandon auto locking hubs
    Last to abandon the 2nd gear stick.. all the things the die hard Toyota Hilux drivers claimed made the hilux better than the rest ... now what sets it apart ?
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    Die hele debat rondom hierdie maak VS hierdie maak is simpel. Selfs die drag race tussen die Hilux en die Ranger was net sommer ####. Gaan koop n platkar as jy wil vinnig ry. My 2.2 Ranger gaan my by dieselfde mooi plekke uitkry as jou 2.8 Hilux. Ek hou meer van die Ranger se looks, jy hou meer van die Hilux s'n. Ek is nie mal oor n wit kar nie, jy hou van 'n Hilux.

    Great. 'n Voertuig is bloot 'n toestel om jou van punt A na punt B te vat.

    Deesdae word daar nie meer juis slegte voertuie gemaak nie.
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    Ek ook nie moet se. Wie wil nou n Toyota ry as jy een van daai menere kan ry.

    Toyota tundra heel regs is dit nie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois111 View Post

    Ek ook nie moet se. Wie wil nou n Toyota ry as jy een van daai menere kan ry.

    Toyota tundra heel regs is dit nie?
    Dis hoekom hy so ver staan...


    Hier by ons is n paar tundras, en ek moet se... ek sal nie omgee nie....


    Maar wag ek wil eers wen!!!



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    There is a very real reason why 90% of the guys that built monster Toyota`s use Yankee V8 engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois111 View Post
    Ek ook nie moet se. Wie wil nou n Toyota ry as jy een van daai menere kan ry.

    Toyota tundra heel regs is dit nie?
    Heel regs is 'n GMC...
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