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    Default Rhino horn trade legal in SA ??

    Hi,


    Heard something on the radio about people allowed to legally trade with rhino horn in SA...


    Did I just miss heard ??
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    BREAKING: Court removes ban on rhino horn trade


    http://www.citizen.co.za/883657/cour...no-horn-trade/
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    Let the open season begin..........
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    Has been for many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spliffcat View Post
    Has been for many years.

    Yes, except for the last 6
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    I am very interested to see what is going to happen now. KNP must have a huge stockpile (if it haven't been misplaced by now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platjan View Post
    I am very interested to see what is going to happen now. KNP must have a huge stockpile (if it haven't been misplaced by now)
    Approximately 17000 kg stockpile , less "shrinkage"

    Private legal stockpile approximately 2200 kg.

    Private " undeclared" stockpile probably another 2000 kg?
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    very sad day....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gleneagles View Post
    Approximately 17000 kg stockpile , less "shrinkage"

    Private legal stockpile approximately 2200 kg.

    Private " undeclared" stockpile probably another 2000 kg?
    What is the average horn weight per rhino? 5 kg? ( 4kg front , 1kg back horn)

    17000 + 2200 + 2000 = 21200 / 5 = 4 240 rhino's horn in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andz View Post
    very sad day....
    huh? explain please.

    They now have value and will be better protected. I personally know of about 30 farmers who sold all their rhino because they couldn't afford to protect them anymore.

    quote from article in the OP post."Hume, who farms in the area south of the Kruger National Park, is the largest rhino farmer in the world, but told the court he could no longer afford to spend R5 million a month to preserve his herd and would be forced to dispose of 1200 rhinos if the ban remained in place."
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    Quote Originally Posted by War-Medic View Post
    Let the open season begin..........

    George,


    I don't think "hunting season" will be any "MORE" open then what it was with the poaching the last couple of years...


    Now we just hold thumbs that they put n very strict permit system in place to control the sales....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platjan View Post
    What is the average horn weight per rhino? 5 kg? ( 4kg front , 1kg back horn)

    17000 + 2200 + 2000 = 21200 / 5 = 4 240 rhino's horn in stock.
    Estimate....thumbsuck 4600-5000
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    The farmers will dart the rhino, cut the horns off and let them grow again. Harvesting is term used. Not like the poachers who kill them.
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    The Cites ban on trade remains intact.

    The Minister can still appeal the lifting of the ban ( although she stated that she is in favour of lifting it)

    I will wait and see and follow developments closely , I got rid of my rhinos because I could not justify paying R50k/month to provide security for animals worth more dead than alive plus the added risk to the safety of my staff , family , guests ......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gleneagles View Post
    The Cites ban on trade remains intact.

    The Minister can still appeal the lifting of the ban ( although she stated that she is in favour of lifting it)

    I will wait and see and follow developments closely , I got rid of my rhinos because I could not justify paying R50k/month to provide security for animals worth more dead than alive plus the added risk to the safety of my staff , family , guests ......
    I am having some difficulty to see how the lifting of the ban within SA helps anybody, if you cannot legally trade it across borders. (export) Or am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platjan View Post
    I am very interested to see what is going to happen now. KNP must have a huge stockpile (if it haven't been misplaced by now)
    Me too, maybe at least one positive out of it - IF SANPB can make millions by selling the stockpile, maybe flooding the market and at the same time gaining funds for further conservation and protection efforts. PROVIDING that the funds are actually used for the purpose.
    Answering the call of the wild is just so much beter than answering the telephone.
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    Quote "Do farmers kill their cows to get the milk? No, of course not! Why would a farmer kill a rhino for 1 horn instead of harvesting horn multiple times from the same rhino over many years? They won't.
    Will this stop poaching? Of course not, poaching is always going to happen. What it will do though is bring down the price of the horn making the cost/benefit of poaching less attractive.
    When poaching rhino you run a real risk of being killed either by wildlife or conservation officers, but the value of the horn is so high that it is worth the risk to many poachers, much like illegal mining is. Legal trade will reduce the market value of horn, this is a given, we all know it's true. Now, is it still worth the risk to the poacher? Not so much. Some will still do it, some will be desperate enough, but not nearly as many. Net result is a reduction in poaching AND an increase in farmers willing to keep rhino as they can now afford to do so. I fail to see any clear, rational and unemotional counter to this argument."
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    Brilliant news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    I am having some difficulty to see how the lifting of the ban within SA helps anybody, if you cannot legally trade it across borders. (export) Or am I missing something?
    I also have mixed feelings on this one, but am keeping an open mind here.

    If the unbanning will provide funds for protection and if the value per unit decreases due to increased supply then maybe it will have a good outcome.
    Also as stated above by someone, harvesting is better than killing!
    Answering the call of the wild is just so much beter than answering the telephone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    I am having some difficulty to see how the lifting of the ban within SA helps anybody, if you cannot legally trade it across borders. (export) Or am I missing something?
    It could be a problem if the signatories to Cites stick to the rules or remain signatories .
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