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    Quote Originally Posted by clivemd View Post
    That is bad luck really feel for you i have just finished re building my engine myself so will see how that goes this will be the 2nd one i have done of mine so just hope all goes well with this on
    it sounds nice i have only driven it 10KM, when i get back from off shore will finish it off as have work to do on landy still
    then it will be time to slowly carry on with my LS V8 Landy
    Good luck with yours, Clive. I agree about building things yourself. I also subscribe to this - you learn such a lot in the process. And, when things go wrong, the backside that needs to be kicked, is easy to find!



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    when did mine i had to get the rods re sized due to to much piston protrusion think max is 0.8 mm i was on 1.4mm on the one piston, so got it down to a 2 hole gasket but still used a 3 hole
    were the scoring on the bores in the same area as the ring gap, rings could of been at there Min gap and when engine gets hot there is no more room for rings to expand as rings ends touch resulting in bore scouring
    if you ever find out what out come is please let us know

    Hope you come right
    if you ever stuck try phoning Turner engineering in the UK they are the fundys on the 300TDi and 200TDi maybe they could give you advice just a thought

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    clivemd, thanks, I will post further info here as it becomes available.

    As I say, the most important of all of this is to build up experience and learn from the mistakes, so that this doesn't happen again.



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    Just received the invoice to rebuild the bottom end - parts only. This comes to a touch over R7000. Reminding one once again why this 300 Tdi engine is actually such good value for money, for those of us who want a Landy but don't have deep enough pockets to run the new ones.

    If all goes according to plan now, Sokkies will be back in my driveway by end of next week!



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    A lot of interesting stuff came out during the discussion with my "new" indy. This guy is a wealth of information, and I'm grateful that he is willing to take time out of a busy schedule to educate a newbie.

    This guy is a stickler for keeping things to standard spec (especially the 300 Tdi). In this way, the two of us see exactly eye to eye. I was worried that he would want to begin tweaking this and that, but he wants to keep everything standard. I bought this particular car because I also knew the previous owner felt the same way.

    Timing: it was found that the timing on this car was advanced from standard. According to this forum, the workshop who did this uses a "dynamic timing" gadget instead of just locking the pins and lining everything up. I've read on the international forums that some people do advance the timing, but this could have been the cause of my problem as fuel enters the cylinders too early. When reassembling, we are going to take this back to factory spec.

    Injectors were, again, confirmed to be brand new.

    Pump will be sent off to a Bosch agent to check everything, just in case something is off there. Say now that cyl.1 was injecting slightly out of time, and the "dynamic timing" gadget was clamped onto that pipe - this would lead to the timing being set incorrectly. I'll post results here when they become available. The pump was done very recently though, so I'm not actually expecting anything funny. My correspondence shows that I asked the previous workshop to have the pump checked if necessary, which they didn't do, so they also felt it was OK.



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    Quote Originally Posted by antvz View Post
    DiscoFrans, dankie vir jou verwysing. Ja, Dermot ken regtig sy goed en hy is ook bereid om goed vir 'n ou te verduidelik. Toe ek eers die kar ingebring het, het hy vir my alles mooi verduidelik op 'n 300 Tdi engin wat hy besig was om te herbou.

    Will write in English further for the benefit of all followers.

    Yes, the workshop picked up that the timing was out. And ultimately this assisted Remtec to give their verdict of bore wash due to incorrect timing. But I don't think it's as simple as all that. Not placing blame here, just trying to get my head around it all.

    Think about it: the car travelled 3000 km's with decent power, pulling my trailer, much of it through Lesotho. Temperatures (esp. EGT and water) stayed WELL within limits. On the steepest slopes in Lesotho, I backed off when EGT went above 650. The alarm was set by LandyWorx for 720 so I never once triggered the alarm. Water temp stayed in the low 90's or late 80's when cruising, only once or twice reaching 95 on steep gradients in Lesotho. NEVER on the N1 or other high speed runs, did EGT or water temp EVER become a problem, and I didn't have to drive with flat foot all the way either to keep a good constant 115 km/h on the speedo.

    As I understand it, faulty timing would mean loss of power, as well as hard starting, and plenty of smoke. Yet this engine started on the first turn even in Semonkong! I never had smoke in my rear view mirror and my trailer looks fine in front even after the long journey. On the last part of the return journey, the tapping became a cause for concern because it was constant and audible, NOT because of any difference in driveability.

    There was a "sudden" drop in performance, rise in EGT and plenty of smoke, on the way back from the indy when I went in to ask about the tapping. So I personally believe, given the clear evidence that the timing WAS out, that perhaps the belt slipped a tooth there. Why? More questions than answers.

    Again, what could have happened was: excessive blow-by due to scored pistons/incorrectly seated rings; eventually front crank or cam seals began leaking oil, some got on timing belt, belt slipped a tooth, ... I just don't know. I accept Remtec's verdict as we have to just move on from here, but I'm not easy in my mind that they really have provided the correct answer as to WHY? - and therefore how to prevent this happening again.

    Again, what about the injectors. Let me share a little story here as it actually reflects well on Peter at LandyWorx. When the motor was installed at the beginning of July, startup was to occur on the Thursday morning. Peter told me a bit sheepishly that they had lost my injectors (which were basically brand new by the way), and that he was ordering me brand new ones at their cost. Now firstly, we know on this forum the reputation Peter has for his integrity. Secondly, I followed up with LP4A when I got back, and they confirmed that they sold LandyWorx the 4 injectors on that day. So the failure cannot possibly be due to faulty injectors (e.g. dripping, etc.), which is usually how bore wash occurs.

    Hi Anthony
    Actually what happened was unbeknown to me Remtec came a removed your injectors and sent them away for testing and if it was not for Thys telling me that he was there when they did it I would have been none the wiser. We had to hound them to return them and got them back after you returned from Lesotho. They refused point blank to refund the recovery charges that your dad paid for.
    The pump timing for the latest fiasco baffles me, we have imported from the USA via Snap-On a very special mechanical diesel pump timing tool which measures the pulses from the pump to set up absolute spot on.
    I am totally disgusted and very sorry that you had to go down this road again.
    Take Care
    Stay frosty (Be alert at all times: We Live in a war zone)

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    Hi tgwinduna

    Nice to see you on this thread, as you guys practically have "shares" in this Landy and its saga now. I will re-iterate again for the benefit of our followers, that at no point do I want this thread to degenerate into "company-bashing". I genuinely need to get answers to what seems an unsolvable problem at this stage.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tgwinduna View Post
    Hi Anthony
    Actually what happened was unbeknown to me Remtec came a removed your injectors and sent them away for testing and if it was not for Thys telling me that he was there when they did it I would have been none the wiser.
    Yes, if you remember correctly, that was my version of the story as well. I was informed by Ian that the injectors were taken away. Then, when you were re-assembling the engine, you told me that you had lost the injectors, which baffled me - I replied that they had been taken for testing by Remtec, to which you answered that you knew nothing of the event.

    However, the exact story is immaterial under the circumstances. It was told on this forum to explain to my followers that the cause of failure could not possibly be the injectors. But I also wanted to emphasise that you and/or LandyWorx could have, without me being any the wiser, simply found another set of injectors somewhere and bunged them in. Instead, you chose to act like a gentleman and be completely open and honest with me, giving the benefit to me by putting in new ones.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tgwinduna View Post
    The pump timing for the latest fiasco baffles me, we have imported from the USA via Snap-On a very special mechanical diesel pump timing tool which measures the pulses from the pump to set up absolute spot on.
    Yet the timing was out by one tooth. Did it slip, perhaps, when the engine started peeing oil all over the place due to excessive blow-by? Until that moment, it ran very well and always started first time, as mentioned earlier. There are a lot of earlier posts where I ask about oil consumption and noticing oil dripping from the turbo pipes - but at no point did the engine run badly. This is why I'm so puzzled. When it finally did run rough, I got it to a workshop immediately!

    Was the IP sprocket incorrectly fitted to the IP shaft? If so, timing would be correctly set by means of your gadget, but would show up as "wrong" when someone tries to line up the pins - if I understand this correctly? In other words, the timing WAS actually correct but did not check out correctly when the holes were lined up?

    This will be solved once the report comes back from the Bosch agents who check out the IP.



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    Antz

    7000 sounds like pistons . rings only

    Not new sleeves so how are you getting it back to std ?

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    Ross,

    Pistons, rings, sleeves, main and big end bearings.



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    Ah OK

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    Hi Anthony, any updates?
    2015 Pajero Sport 2,5 Di-D 4x4 5-spd Auto, STOFPAD eng & gbox plate, new engine courtesy Mitsubishi at 95k km.

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    Nothing to report yet. Engine due back by end of next week, and then the installation process starts. After that, all that remains is for me to swipe my now emaciated credit card in exchange for my (hopefully) newly running landy.



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    I heard from Remtec today that the engine is basically finished. They were waiting for the rocker cover and rocker arm to be sent down by my indy, as this was not sent down initially with the engine. These items were received on Friday, so they could finish assembly and begin testing. They think it should be shipped today.

    I sincerely hope that the indy has sent the injection pump in for checking/service/calibration already, as then I would be able to get the car back by the end of the week! Apparently the pump specialists are very busy and asked that we wait for an opening before sending it down so that it does not lie around.

    I can't ask for updates too often as I'm starting to become a pain in the backside to the indy, who understandably doesn't want to keep having to field my endless barrage of questions.

    Can't wait to get this car out of all the workshops now, so that I can start to learn about it and also start fixing all the damages caused when a car stands around for months on end, often outside in the elements, not moving, with a bunch of oily parts in the boot. I want it to be "immaculate" again like it's supposed to be, but this is no doubt going to take a whole lot of work and plenty of time and patience.

    The testing ground for this new engine will first be some local routes, Magoebaskloof Pass, perhaps the route through Lekgalameetse nature reserve (out the back gate through to Polokwane), and a few other lineups of varying terrain and speeds.

    Then, the planning is in progress for a trip to Mapai through Parque National do Limpopo, during December. Need to check out the cooling system efficiency thoroughly before this one...



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    Antz, don't forget to check the viscous fan, this is often overlooked when checking the cooling system and is very important. In order to check this I find the best is some soft sand in low range first where you are making the motor work or towing a heavy trailer up a pass and watching the temp gauge like a hawk eyeing a mouse out. With the Disco 1 normal driving will not highlight if the viscous fan is working 100% as the rest of the cooling system does work well. But when you are in places where you are traveling under 20km/h and working the motor, that is where the viscous fan does its job as then one is not having enough airflow throu the radiator to do the cooling.

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    Thanks Witblitz, it's nice to know about these things beforehand. I can't find any thick sand around here, but should easily be able to get a steep mountain pass!



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    Antz, you welcome most of this stuff I had to learn the hard way with my Disco 1.
    When they are going they are lovely vehicles to drive especially on a long trip and just as capable as a Defender. All one needs is the correct tyres on there and you would be amazed at where you can go without a front or rear diff lock.

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    No further info to me or the Indy as to whether the engine was shipped. We are waiting with bated breath to see if a crate rocks up this afternoon.

    Excitement is building up again...



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    Good luck antvz I hope that you will be on routes less traveled soon , as it restores ones soul.

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