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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    First time considering moving to 2ply sidewall, hope I donít regret.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    I think if you stick to tar roads and major gravel roads 2 ply is OK.
    Once you go off road or on twee spoor roads in bushveld country it is a different matter.
    I do a lot of that type of travelling and 90% of my punctures are in the sidewall. Thorns dont penetrate the steel belt that easily but a two ply sidewall is paper thin.
    Unfortunately most tyres are 2 ply.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundutrailer View Post
    First time considering moving to 2ply sidewall, hope I donít regret.
    Check the sidewall bulge at various pressures, for the brand you are considering. This should lessen the risk for you.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Thanks Estee, that is useful info.
    The bulge is a big contributer to sidewall punctures.
    I have just fitted Grabbers to my farm bakkie and I see they are the worst!

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    Check the sidewall bulge at various pressures, for the brand you are considering. This should lessen the risk for you.

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    some of the 3plynhere have big bulges, thanks for the reminder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundutrailer View Post
    First time considering moving to 2ply sidewall, hope I don’t regret.
    The only tyres that couldn't give me it's whole life was 3 ply.
    Unfortunately they don't like extended periods at low pressure.

    But here's the thing:

    I've owned 2 Landies since 2000.
    The first one I got with Conti-cracks with minimal thread.
    I replaced them with Bridgestone, they did very well and I could have 80K km if I rotated the tires.

    Then I bought Cooper's 7.50R16 truck tires they lasted forever, I sold her with them.
    That's 13 years and only 2 sets of tires.

    My Kalahari came with BFG.
    One trip in the Kalahari and they were full of cracks between the sidewall and thread.

    Now I have Bridgestone again.
    And if I don't chuck them because of their age (and they look amazing) they will also last forever.

    (Technically for 6 more years according to current wear rate)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfh View Post
    The only tyres that couldn't give me it's whole life was 3 ply.
    Unfortunately they don't like extended periods at low periods.

    But here's the thing:

    I've owned 2 Landies since 2000.
    The first one I got with Conti-cracks with minimal thread.
    I replaced them with Bridgestone, they did very well and I could have 80K km if I rotated the tires.

    Then I bought Cooper's 7.50R16 truck tires they lasted forever, I sold her with them.
    That's 13 years and only 2 sets of tires.

    My Kalahari came with BFG.
    One trip in the Kalahari and they were full of cracks between the sidewall and thread.

    Now I have Bridgestone again.
    And if I don't chuck them because of their age (and they look amazing) they will also last forever.

    (Technically for 6 more years according to current wear rate)

    looking at the falken wildpeak ar3w, very good reviews in Aussie in LT spec, deepest tread, long life and work in wet, but 2 ply side wall and 10ply rating, I see aspw moved to them. Been on BFGs for long, my KO2s at 86k kms, have 20k more to go but zero traction in the wet. Looks if you want wet performance you wonít find it in 3ply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundutrailer View Post
    Looks if you want wet performance you wonít find it in 3ply.
    If a 3 ply sidewall is important to you, have you looked at Dunlop AT3G or Cooper ST Maxx? Both have 3 ply sidewall and I find the ST Maxx much better on wet tar than the BFG.
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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Estee View Post
    Check the sidewall bulge at various pressures, for the brand you are considering. This should lessen the risk for you.

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    Estee yes a good comparison test. Done in a few hours on various levels of performance. In the end not a test representing longevity.
    Wonder if this test were run over 80k km

    I would like too see a test that are run on nominated dirt roads. Some Karoo and Northern Cape roads comes to mind.

    Look at the profile of most posting on tyers. Many do a once ore even less trips where tyers are tested to max..

    5 to 10 or even 20% of off-road travel is not an indication of tyre life.

    So ja ek vat maar wat ouens oor bande sÍ met 'n knippie sout.

    Even all these these comparison tests run on the net..

    Bring it to the real world.

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    I would also like a 4x4 rating system where 4x4 experience is tagged to a persons name. Would help a lot in the value of a thread.

    Think kakpraters will think twice before they post

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Christo stem met wat jy se. En ek ry nou al 20 jaar met bfg op my 4x4,s en nog nooit n probleem gehad of n pap wiel gehad nie en wil ook nie n ander tyer probeer tot bfg my n probleem gee nie. En het al heelwat plekke gery en getoer. En ook baie stories gehoor oor bfg hoe swak hulle is maar nog nooit iets self gesien nie.
    My seun is weer n cooper man het coopers op sy cruiser en hy hou van die tyer en dit werk vir hom.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    Unfortunately I look at a persons 4x4 experience when they post on tyre topics.
    I bought 2 ATG3's , will use it on a farm vehicle, to see how will they compare with BFG in terms of side wall punctures. Will not take that long to know.
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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Ja, ne. 4x4 experience.. LOL!


    How can you have experience, with tyres, if you have never used a different product
    Surely claiming experience means you have personally tried the different products? And thus, you have a well rounded opinion on the matter?

    Listening to what Piet Spikkels saying what he heard about Willem Bierpens's uncle's foreman's tyres, is not experience.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Ja, ne. 4x4 experience.. LOL!


    How can you have experience, with tyres, if you have never used a different product
    Surely claiming experience means you have personally tried the different products? And thus, you have a well rounded opinion on the matter?

    Listening to what Piet Spikkels saying what he heard about Willem Bierpens's uncle's foreman's tyres, is not experience.

    Not in a long shot
    In my case I have run up to 10 vehicles in private and my business. Believe me I have tried almost every tyre brand out there.

    Quick example would be Maxxis Big Horns. Have them on the Yank Ranger and Little Patrol. Some here on the forum praise them as the best tyres out there. They are fantastic in sand that is about all. We have lost 4 to date due to sidewall cuts. At almost R6000.00 for a 35 it is not nice loosing a tyre.

    Don`t let me start on Coopers.

    By experience I meant that I would rather take the advice from guys like JLK who is a farmer, Stan Weakley and some other overlanders that put tyres to real test. I not interested in Willem Bierpens views who seldom goes offroad and spend 90% of his travels on tar.

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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by HugoNotte View Post
    If a 3 ply sidewall is important to you, have you looked at Dunlop AT3G or Cooper ST Maxx? Both have 3 ply sidewall and I find the ST Maxx much better on wet tar than the BFG.
    Looked at those coopers these days are iffy, would rather stay with KO2, Dunlop has a soft sidewall. Maxxis razr AT look promising So far good reviews in the wet but who know if after 50k it will suffer same woes as BFG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehog View Post
    Ja, ne. 4x4 experience.. LOL! How can you have experience, with tyres, if you have never used a different product
    Ek ry gereeld 4x4 omdat ek moet, nie vir gatskuur nie. Die heading gaan oor die belangrikheid 3 ply sidewall. Jy kan met enige 2 ply 4x4 doen, maar 2 ply kom nie ver in die bos nie, en dis waar 3 ply side walls in kom. Ek weet die BFG's werk, en geen 2 ply's side walls nie, almal al probeer, insluitend Maxxis.

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    I run Sailun Terramax M/T at R2800 a tyre fitted, 16 inch. 3 ply side wall. Go and feel the thickness. You will be surprised
    Don't no about noise. Not been on tar yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grips View Post
    I would also like a 4x4 rating system where 4x4 experience is tagged to a persons name. Would help a lot in the value of a thread.

    Think kakpraters will think twice before they post
    Lol, nou daai statement sal 'n hele debate ontaard langer as Trump, Biden en al die Bushlapa threads.
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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    Have read this thread with interest, but I have not seen any comments on LT spec tyres. Does having an LT spec make a difference to the sidewall resistance to punctures?
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    Default Re: The importance of 3-ply side wall?

    This is a more touchy topic than I would have expected. Everyone is the most expertest it seems.

    Everyone has an experience, and that will mostly be only applicable to yourself unfortunately. The reason for this is not difficult to understand, everyone has a different car, loaded differently, with different tyre pressures, driving on different terrain.

    Even two people following eachother almost never have the same tyre cut at the same place.

    I have seen Michelin LTX tyres (with a very thin sidewall)travel through ugly rocks on the Cape mountains, and those same tyres go over van zyls pass, never with a cut sidewall. The Maxxis Bighorns were also perfect through the same trip.

    I have personally punctured a sidewall on a Cooper ST Maxx in a parking lot.

    I have punctured the tread of a BFG KO on what seemed to have been a fist sized rock on a otherwise smooth gravel road.

    What does this all mean?

    Nothing really. You can puncture a Unimog tyre if you are not careful, and with a bit of spotting and road building you can take most AT tyres almost anywhere

    A thicker and Kevlar reinforced tyre will however protect you more when you don't see a sharp rock or the bolt in the parking lot.

    If you drive more sand or more smooth roads, get a thinner sidewall, if you drive more sharp rocks or bushveld, get a thicker sidewall.

    In the end, the driver has the biggest influence on how tyres last.
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