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    Hi Guys,

    Parked my car at ORT the covered parking adjacent to the terminal

    Came back with a fine on the windscreen for an expired license

    Now the question first is, is it legit for the Ekurhuleni metro to fine cars in a parking lot not owned by the municipality

    Second when inputting the reference number into one of the various online systems - nothing comes up except for a reference number not found

    what now?

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    Ignore and renew your license. If it's legit and on the system they should pick it up when you renew, besides, you will be charged penalties on the renewal anyway.

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    I dont understand. You were fined for an expired license. Is it expired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonRSA View Post
    I dont understand. You were fined for an expired license. Is it expired?
    Yes but he was fined on private property, not public property.

    It's similar to JMPD fining you inside a PnP Hypermarket parking lot..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pblaauw View Post
    Yes but he was fined on private property, not public property.

    It's similar to JMPD fining you inside a PnP Hypermarket parking lot..
    So what? Did he drive through the air to get there?
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    How long is the license expired for? You have 20 days "grace" period on your renewal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    So what? Did he drive through the air to get there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    So what? Did he drive through the air to get there?
    Wow that escalated quickly...
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    The JMPD have jurisdiction over ORT, they even have a satellite office there.
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    Remember the fine is torn out of a book. When the book is finished it goes to a back office and gets captured. Only then can you discuss it with anyone. Expect up to a month before it reflects on the system

    I had a similar thing happen to me recently in a parking lot (SWAMBO lite's fault for parking near a KFC) when the new license had been bought and paid for but was snarled up in the postal strike. I ignored it and the traffic department ignored me so all's well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pblaauw View Post
    Wow that escalated quickly...
    Not really. The implication here is that the JMPD acted wrongly. Point is the license has expired and as such the OP must have travelled on a public road with it.

    We complain daily on this very forum about people breaking the law, but when we get confronted when doing exactly that, any number of excuses are used to explain ourselves.
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    Thought you have 21 days after expiry date. Go renew at the Post Office..........good luck.

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    Thanks all

    License on the car expired, new license in the cubby - never expected Metro police to patrol the parking lot as opposed to stopping the folk running red lights - low hanging fruit I guess

    Wil keep looking online to see when it pops up

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    If the vehicle was parked on private property, the owners of that property would have given permission to whichever law enforcement agency to charge vehicles on that property, legally.

    The knee jerk reaction of almost every South African to immediately insult all law enforcement when they are clearly breaking the law and get charged for it, is really getting tiresome.

    Yes, there are bigger fish to fry. There always is, but you can NEVER please ALL of the people ALL of the time.
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    I got stopped in a roadblock once and fined for my trailer license that expired. The new license was in the cubbyhole and I only found it after the fine was written out. Went to court to try and have it squashed seeing that it was renewed, but was not displayed on the trailer. Was kindly told by the Judge to pay the fine as the law clearly states that the license must be displayed on the vehicle or trailer and got a serious warning not to waste the courts time by trying to get off a fine where I was in the wrong. If only the systems works so efficient at all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost_traffic View Post
    If the vehicle was parked on private property, the owners of that property would have given permission to whichever law enforcement agency to charge vehicles on that property, legally.

    The knee jerk reaction of almost every South African to immediately insult all law enforcement when they are clearly breaking the law and get charged for it, is really getting tiresome.

    Yes, there are bigger fish to fry. There always is, but you can NEVER please ALL of the people ALL of the time.
    This is happening a LOT in Table View and Parklands... LE is out every day fining expired licences and the folk are really bitching... and it's always the same argument - but I'm parked on private property yada yada yada... Why arent they fining taxis yada yada yada...

    You had to drive on a public road to get there, and you have to drive on a public road to leave. And most of them probably dont stop properly at stop streets either.

    Just a quick question... I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that LE cannot fine for moving violations, and that only you lot (the traffic department) can fine for those. Care to confirm or refute?
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    Reality check.

    This thread is about breaking the law.

    Trying to justify and sidestep and .......

    That's why we have the society we have.

    It doesn't matter R0.03c if the cops had jurisdiction or whatever.

    Hiding behind the fact the cops had no jurisdiction on private property doesn't make it right.

    It's a little crime in this case. But the principle remains the same.
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    pblaauw and Fabfender:

    Not JMPD, but EMPD.

    ORTI is in Ekurhuleni, not Johannesburg. The fine must not be paid at a Jhb Police Station, but at one in Ekurhuleni!
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    The police have jurisdiction over the whole of South Africa. , including inside your house.

    The NRTA applies to all public roads - the definition is clear, any road to which the general public have access.

    In pick n pay parking lot. At the airport. On a dirt road.

    Not your driveway, not a farm road or where access is limited.

    But yes, you must obey the NRTA when in public...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico-MAD View Post
    I got stopped in a roadblock once and fined for my trailer license that expired. The new license was in the cubbyhole and I only found it after the fine was written out. Went to court to try and have it squashed seeing that it was renewed, but was not displayed on the trailer. Was kindly told by the Judge to pay the fine as the law clearly states that the license must be displayed on the vehicle or trailer and got a serious warning not to waste the courts time by trying to get off a fine where I was in the wrong. If only the systems works so efficient at all time.
    Nico
    The effort and time of going to court alone surely outweighs the amount on the fine?

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