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    If I load the camper onto the Colt, hook up the Fleetline, and invite a couple to join on tour and share the costs ….

    My guest(s) can use the caravan and I (we) will use the camper.
    Can the idea work, and if yes, how can the costs be divided fairly?

    Motivation – impossible petrol price.
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    But you will pay nearly double for petrol when towing that fleetline! It could be fun, but think you are better off without that jurgens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoB View Post
    But you will pay nearly double for petrol when towing that fleetline! It could be fun, but think you are better off without that jurgens.
    Must disagree with you

    Look carefully at the height of the camper almost the same as the caravan as is the width resulting in very little wind resistance. When towing something wind resistance is your biggest enemy, the additional weight does have an effect but not nearly as much as drag. I have seen this with quite a few caravans that I have towed as soon as you hit about 80km/h you feel the wind resistance on the rig and you see the fuel gauge drop.
    A few years ago there was a canvas dome that inflated when you drove giving you a similar setup as the big trucks have on their trailers and this definitely saved a lot of fuel.

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    Forget the petrol cost and focus on whether it will work or not. Remember when on a tour of sorts that there is generally no "free" time and so a couple that you can get along with is a must. It is not genrerally enough to get along at a braai but you must be able to spend days with them and not get irritated.

    Due to the nature of people we all like different things and have different ideas and this can cause problems when in the middle of no where with someone you dont really know that well.

    Once a suitable couple is decided upon then cost can be discussed. We have always split cost 50/50 for one vehicle. We find it works best. This can be done by working out petrol and park costs etc. We always use a card for petrol where we can and in that case, lets say I pay for petrol, you would pay other fees to the same amount etc.

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    Hi Scooter, agree "suitable" tour companions could be a problem, will just have to be careful.

    Quote Originally Posted by hbannink View Post
    Must disagree with you

    Look carefully at the height of the camper almost the same as the caravan as is the width resulting in very little wind resistance. When towing something wind resistance is your biggest enemy, the additional weight does have an effect but not nearly as much as drag. I have seen this with quite a few caravans that I have towed as soon as you hit about 80km/h you feel the wind resistance on the rig and you see the fuel gauge drop.
    A few years ago there was a canvas dome that inflated when you drove giving you a similar setup as the big trucks have on their trailers and this definitely saved a lot of fuel.

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    Henk, the camper, mounted, is actually slightly higher than the caravan but also slightly narrower, which means that the drag will be pretty much the same with or without the caravan, extra will then be the weight and rolling resistance of the caravan.
    Guess I will have to try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbannink View Post
    Must disagree with you

    Look carefully at the height of the camper almost the same as the caravan as is the width resulting in very little wind resistance. When towing something wind resistance is your biggest enemy, the additional weight does have an effect but not nearly as much as drag. I have seen this with quite a few caravans that I have towed as soon as you hit about 80km/h you feel the wind resistance on the rig and you see the fuel gauge drop.
    A few years ago there was a canvas dome that inflated when you drove giving you a similar setup as the big trucks have on their trailers and this definitely saved a lot of fuel.

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    yes, but all that extra weight, hills are going to be flat out, and the poor bakkie! It can be done, but i tow my camping trailer and 2 ton boat at the same time. Now that is heavy! The boat is pretty streamlined, but anything over 120, the diesel needle moves to the fetal position very quickly.
    The camper is already heavy, with luggage for 4 people and a caravan. I personally will do it on my own. Like previously said, you need to find the right match, otherwise a beautifull trip can become a nightmare. I do a lot of towing, i found that if you tow something that is aerodynamic but heavy, you get hammered. you are pulling a dead weight. Put the same weight on your vehicle, it will do a lot better!

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    Having towed for many a year, IMHO


    • It will work, the camper is not much larger than the canopy and the suspension can handle it
    • just keep the speed down - 10km/h speed reduction will give you ±20% improvement in consumption


    On the personalities issue, that's for you guys to decide.
    To me it sounds like heaps of fun!
    Stop often - the holiday starts at the end of your driveway!

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    I have been preparing to do exactly that (as suggested in one of the deleted threads) this long weekend !

    Our destination will be the Vaal dam, 320 km. there and back, and as the main thought behind the idea is to see what effect this will have on fuel usage, I will be meticulous with the consumption figures. Also, I will take note of the towing stability and handling of the rig.

    As far as having company on this trip – a bit short notice, but Swambo agreed to take the rear seat and report back on comfort.
    It won’t give the full picture, rather a good indication of what to expect, especially i. r. o. the fuel issue.

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    That is a good idea, i would like to know what the fuel consumtion was like when you get back please. Just for interest sake. Well enjoy it! oh and what does the jurgens weigh?
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    Gaitshi Gubib geniet die trip Gaan julle bietjie vis vang ook ?
    Die colt lyk baie better sonder daardie running boards Jy moet nou net vir jou lekker rock sliders bou

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    jonoB, the licence paper states tare = 690 kg. – I suspect nearer 900 kg. – so we will have to be careful with the amount of luggage we take.

    jgoosen, Swambo reken ek moet my bestuurstyl wysig :
    .........die verwydering van die running boards was dus uitsluitlik om kosmetiese redes gedoen.
    Visvang, wie, ek ?
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    Ja well no fine - see you early tomorrow morning .....
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    The week at Vaal dam was great.
    OK the numbers and figures :
    Mitsubishi Colt 3 litre + Radical Tops Camper + Jurgens Fleetline caravan.

    Distance traveled : 325.8 km.
    Petrol used : 57.07 litres.

    That gives you 17.52 l/100 km or 5.71 km/l.
    Consumption with camper only was 14.43 l/100 km or 6.93 km/l.(900 km trip, Marakele, Nylsvlei, Loskop earlier)

    ..... the caravan increased the consumption by only 3.09 l/100 km.

    Average speed, 80 kph. I tried to keep the speed at between 90 and 100 km./ hour.
    We had some early morning town traffic, then the highway to Vereeniging - about 100 km., and country road, about 40 km.
    On the trip back we had a fairly strong head wind and I had to gear down more often.

    Costs : petrol : R561.00 – divided by 2 will give a handsome relief !
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    Your fuel consumption figures whilst towing a van are excellent! Something like my SFA used to be - towing nothing!

    Glad you enjoyed the trip.


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    The size of a double cab rear seat is an issue, so, Swambo agreed to test drive that back seat for the away part of the trip (2 hours non-stop) after which she suggested spells of about 40 minutes would be OK….

    ………. so, traveling at 80 kph. for 40 minutes will give a distance of say 50 km traveled every hour, one can then take 20 minutes to stretch legs.

    In a day of 6 hours you would then be able to cover a relaxed 300 km. and be at your camping site before 3 o’clock.
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    Hi Johan

    Glad to hear you had a good time and happy that things went well I think your secret recipie was taking it easy and not hamering the bakie as 4e said "Stop often - the holiday starts at the end of your driveway!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_Dog View Post
    Your fuel consumption figures whilst towing a van are excellent! Something like my SFA used to be - towing nothing!

    Glad you enjoyed the trip.

    -F_D
    jonoB made me doubt the whole idea just a little, but the consumption figures pleased me too

    Towing was relaxed and stable, 100 kph would be the comfortable fastest for me.……no real hurry.

    A question : will 'beefing up' the rear suspension be worth my while ? [luggage and additional human bodies]
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    Dit sal defenetief die hantering verbeter. Die vere sal nie so laag le en die neiging om "los" op die pad te wees sal heelwat beter wees. Ek het op my 1400 bakkie twee ekstra blad vere in gesit aangesien ek permanent vrag gedra het (kabels is nogal swaar) en dit het sy hantering so verbeter dat dit gevoel het asof daar geen vrag was. Die nadeel is dat die ry sonder vrag heelwat harder sal wees.

    Jou grootste probleem is wind weerstand en dit word deur die camper gebreek of jy sleep of nie, die karavaan loop in die slipstream.
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    KNow your rig! Anti sway bar between two trailers! Trapezium or the like. While i tow double, i never pull over for other cars...

    I have very stiff leaves! Works wonders! Offroad towing is probably where the system pays for itself! Just remember, i dont tow the double rig setup further than misverstand anymore. Exactly 101km from my doorstep on a very straight road! Do yourself a favour and put and extra leaf or two in, you will feel a lot more confident! It is very funny to hear all the different views, and how some talk from very little experience in this department. In a few months you will not hear of my horror stories anymore as i will have an suv. But for now i have very little choice.

    Gaitshi Gubib, those figures suprized me too! Well if it works do it!
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    When I plan for a tour I leave out food because we would eat, whether on tour or at home.
    It becomes a calculation of petrol costs, camp site costs, toll fees and entry fees.
    As traveling costs make up the bigger part of costs, especially with the vulgar fuel price, it seems to me that a worth-while saving can be had here by sharing….

    When “sharing a tour” this way, how does one divide the costs ?
    50/50 will be an easy calculation but should the fact that I supply all the ‘hardware’ [bakkie, camper, caravan] be taken into account, or should I just disregard that – the capital outlay was already made, whether I share or not ?

    What about insurance, liability, breakdowns ?

    Ideas welcome, please.
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