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    Default MTB Tires for the wet Summer Season

    Hi all

    The last time I rode my bike was three years ago. I did some touring, mainly on hard pack gravel roads from KZN to the Freestate and Northern Cape. For this, I put on Continental Race King tires, which was more of a cross country type tire, providing enough grip on the gravel roads, low rolling resistance and lightness.

    Recently, however, I have taken up the riding again in earnest, and we're doing a lot more off-road riding now. I would say a combination of trail riding, single track and gravel roads. With it being winter and early spring still, we haven't had any rain just yet, so I have ridden only in dry conditions thus far, but even in the dry, I have found the Race Kings to be less grippy on the more technical rides, and I have come off a couple of times already due to losing the front wheel... Summer is coming, which means the rain is coming, and in KZN we get lots of rain. So I need a new set of tires, but I have been out of the scene for a while, and I need some advice.
    Can anyone recommend a tire for general all-round riding in more slippery, wet and muddy conditions, without sacrificing too much on speed? Grip is the goal here.
    Any help will be appreciated.
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    26", 27.5" or 29" wheels.
    Some models not available in 27.5 and 26".

    Good strong tires for 26" are as follows(mud setup).
    Front - Mountain King
    Rear - X King

    There are lots of other brands but these would be mostly available everywhere.

    I use WTB, Schwable and Vredenstein for different terains.

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    For the novice riders.
    Do not put The Race King up front or any other fine threaded tires. You will fall. Leave this for the Pro's.

    Dry setup.
    Rear - Race King
    Front - X-King

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    I've found Mountain King fairly useless in most conditions. It seems they wear very quickly and the knobblies on the sides simply bend over instead of grip. From my experience the Race King is not a bad tyre but I prefer something softer. I haven't tried the X-King yet.

    Schwalbe racing ralph is a great tyre for most conditions except for the really wet mud but I avoid watery mud as far as possible due to the damage it does to the rest of the bike. You might want to try a more aggressive Schwalbe if you feel it necessary. The Schwalbe wears very quickly though (especially the back) and I was asked to try VRubber's V10. I wasn't overly impressed and doubt I'll use them again.

    I've heard good things about Maxxis Ikon for all-weather grip and rolling resistance as well - I'll probably put that on the back when I eventually get my bike back.

    For some terrain there simply isn't a tyre available. Here I'm thinking of wet clay we get in the Cape. It's slippery as hell and nothing will grip unless it comes with studs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    I've found Mountain King fairly useless in most conditions. It seems they wear very quickly and the knobblies on the sides simply bend over instead of grip. From my experience the Race King is not a bad tyre but I prefer something softer. I haven't tried the X-King yet.

    Schwalbe racing ralph is a great tyre for most conditions except for the really wet mud but I avoid watery mud as far as possible due to the damage it does to the rest of the bike. You might want to try a more aggressive Schwalbe if you feel it necessary. The Schwalbe wears very quickly though (especially the back) and I was asked to try VRubber's V10. I wasn't overly impressed and doubt I'll use them again.

    I've heard good things about Maxxis Ikon for all-weather grip and rolling resistance as well - I'll probably put that on the back when I eventually get my bike back.

    For some terrain there simply isn't a tyre available. Here I'm thinking of wet clay we get in the Cape. It's slippery as hell and nothing will grip unless it comes with studs.
    The Schwalbe tyres are great but the trailstar compound does wear quickly on the back.
    I'm running the Muddy Mary in Vertstar compound up front and the Nobby Nic in Pacestar at the back. It's a good combination for grip but a little slow rolling.
    Oh and with Schwalbe always get the Snakeskin version or you might find yourself struggling with sidewall flex and cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudolfD2 View Post
    26", 27.5" or 29" wheels.
    Some models not available in 27.5 and 26".

    Good strong tires for 26" are as follows(mud setup).
    Front - Mountain King
    Rear - X King

    There are lots of other brands but these would be mostly available everywhere.

    I use WTB, Schwable and Vredenstein for different terains.
    Quote Originally Posted by marko35s View Post
    The Schwalbe tyres are great but the trailstar compound does wear quickly on the back.
    I'm running the Muddy Mary in Vertstar compound up front and the Nobby Nic in Pacestar at the back. It's a good combination for grip but a little slow rolling.
    Oh and with Schwalbe always get the Snakeskin version or you might find yourself struggling with sidewall flex and cuts.
    I have a Nobby Nick on the front and a Rocket Ron for the rear..I'm 2m tall I'm rather heavy (115kg), and yet my bike grips like sh1t to a blanket. This set up does feel heavy and slow in the dry... Eat plenty of Jungle Oats!

    I've found that Racing Ralfs make it much much much easier to cover distance in the dry, but they wash out in the wet.

    And yes, Snakeskin is a must.
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    I second the Schwalbe shout, they make some fantastically grippy tyres.
    I have a Magic Mary vertstar up front and a Muddy Mary on the rear. Has the rolling resistance of a tractor but oh the grip...
    Depending on use maybe a set of Nobby Nis's or Hans Dampfs might do the trick, but make sure you get the snakeskin (sidewall protection) trailstar (grippier) version.

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    I like a Conti Mountain King 2 or a Shwalbe Nobby Nick on the front. But both need to be worked hard by the rider for proper grip. If you just want to lean over and hope it sticks, they will wash out.
    Also look at the Onza Canis and Onza Ibex in 2.25 as well. Ibex on the front, that thing grips like hell, And I am a fan of the Canis on front and back.
    It will be very dependant on your skill level and riding style, but all the above will be better than the race king in mud. The Race King is one of my favoutite summer tyres for the back wheel - Cape summer that is.

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    Thanks all!
    I will take what I've found here and see what my cycle shop has in stock, or get them online.
    Thanks for all the good advice!
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    I'm riding on Specialised Ground Control 2.3 front and 2.1 rear, and find this gives quite a good balance between wet and dry performance. Pressure at around 2 bar.

    Had the Fast Track in front before and wiped out quite a bit - fairly big scar on right arm to remind me!
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    Default Cycle Lab in Lynnwood sucks!

    So I popped in at Cycle Lab in Lynnwood today, as I'm on business in Pretoria.
    The very rude sales guy says that they only stock Rubena tires, and that they only have two thread types in stock - one for the front and the other for the rear. They only sell this setup for mountain bikes, irrespective of the terrain and the weather, and that it is 'the best', period.
    I asked how Rubena tires compare to the other brands mentioned in this forum thread, but that upset him somewhat, and ten seconds later I left the store. I will NEVER go back there. What a crappy attitude!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Typhive View Post
    So I popped in at Cycle Lab in Lynnwood today, as I'm on business in Pretoria.
    The very rude sales guy says that they only stock Rubena tires, and that they only have two thread types in stock - one for the front and the other for the rear. They only sell this setup for mountain bikes, irrespective of the terrain and the weather, and that it is 'the best', period.
    I asked how Rubena tires compare to the other brands mentioned in this forum thread, but that upset him somewhat, and ten seconds later I left the store. I will NEVER go back there. What a crappy attitude!
    Unfortunately finding a good bike shop is more difficult than finding a good set of tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashi View Post
    Unfortunately finding a good bike shop is more difficult than finding a good set of tyres.
    I agree.
    There are good shops around especialy in Centurion.
    Two good shops, one shop that leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth and one that is sort of ok.
    The two good shops will help you where they can.
    The bad one has got a quite arogant manager. He told me once taht you will not find a loose MTB frame for sale even though I saw a carbon frame in the shop the week before.
    And also "We only sell..."

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    Frustrating isn't it?
    One wonders how these guys stay open with such attitudes...
    I reported the Cycle Lab Lynnwood on Hello Peter last night - they answered quickly and said that they will look into the issue. But I'm afraid I will never go back there. That guy made me feel so worthless just for being in his shop.
    There is really a solid place for the good cycle shop still these days - I guess it is up to us, the customers to weed out the bad ones.
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    I have one bike shop that is allowed to touch my bike. With other shops, my bike just came back with more problems. And I've learnt to fix a few things myself.
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    Try these guys: http://www.rushsportscycling.com/

    They did f*ck up my order (sorry, but I was REALLY upset with that!!), but their prices and service is good...

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    I currently use the following on my hard tail 29er

    Summer - Dry season in CPT
    Geax AKA 2.2" and they grip fantastically well in the dry and in loose sand they are fantastic. In the wet they are not that great tho.

    Winter - wet n rainy season
    Geax Saguaro 2.2" and these tyres are actually pretty decent all season round. They are great in the wet and muddy stuff and pretty decent in the dry as well.

    Saguaro's not as good as the AKA's tho in the dry but still pretty decent.

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    Ok, so I changed my setup by putting on a more aggressive front tire.
    In the end I went with an Onza Canis, which is a tire suited for wet and muddy conditions.
    I have ridden about five rides with it so far, and what a difference!
    I haven't come across wet and muddy stuff yet, but in the dry so far, the Canis is waaay better than the Race King up front.

    I will post again after the first rains...
    Happy riding!
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    Schwalbe Racing Ralph, then play with tyre pressure to suit conditions. Since putting them on I've done nearly 1700km mainly on tar in the early hours of the morning with weekend rides in varying forms of dirt and found them to be more than adequate
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    Bike shops a problem ; they canibalize the bikes ; i have had it in jhb and east london ; they chop and change parts in the bikes ; will not see a bit of my money ; i buy the parts and got a private mechanic ; paragraph !

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