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    So the plot thickens

    Malaysia’s Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the missing plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca.

    The time given by Rodzali was an hour and 10 minutes after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens over Igari waypoint, midway between Malaysia and Vietnam.

    "It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rechardt View Post
    So NASA has this animal of a satellite in orbit that can check if u having crap...and they cant find a plane.... Yoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barend D View Post
    So the plot thickens

    Malaysia’s Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the missing plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca.

    The time given by Rodzali was an hour and 10 minutes after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens over Igari waypoint, midway between Malaysia and Vietnam.

    "It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.
    So Pulau Perak is on the western side of the peninsula?

    Kota Bharu is about correct for the flight path?

    But then it must have turned sharply onto a Westerly or SW heading?

    Doesn't make sense unless it was flying towards northern Sumatra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    Sorry, nope. NASA does not operate spy satellites.
    The NSA does and they never tell.

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    So far 19 phones have appeared to ring.....
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    Yes, thats why I wonder the same thing. It had to turn almost directly West to end up where it did on military radar.
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    so it took the military 3 days to come forth with information about a plane violating its airspace..........

    while knowing a plane is missing..........

    and its flying at an awkward altitude...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonP View Post
    the sad reality that the industry needs to explain here, is how it loses a multi million dollar , state of the art aircraft, with 227 fare paying citizens of various countries.

    i can send and receive text messages via the onboard system from the other side of the world during flight.

    so why cant it send gps info in case of emergency
    True. The space shuttle had megabytes of telemetry flowing to NASA on each flight. I also cannot understand that with satellite phone tech they can't get a consistent data link up and working for commercial flights.
    As you say, you only need to send the GPS point every couple of seconds, that's a 20 bit packet per data stream.

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    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...malaysia-plane

    Interesting read, private satellite's are much more capable than NASA's and are being used as search and rescue
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    Malaysia Airlines says it is investigating an Australia television report that the co-pilot on its missing flight had invited two women to stay in the cockpit for a flight two years ago
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    I'm going to eat some humble pie and acknowledge Barend could be right in light of the new "evidence".

    But what astounds me is that it is possible to switch of every form of contact with an aircraft while in flight. Why would one allow this sort of override unless it's parked on the ground?
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    I'm going to eat some humble pie and acknowledge Barend could be right in light of the new "evidence".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    I'm going to eat some humble pie and acknowledge Barend could be right in light of the new "evidence".

    But what astounds me is that it is possible to switch of every form of contact with an aircraft while in flight. Why would one allow this sort of override unless it's parked on the ground?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    I'm going to eat some humble pie and acknowledge Barend could be right in light of the new "evidence".

    But what astounds me is that it is possible to switch of every form of contact with an aircraft while in flight. Why would one allow this sort of override unless it's parked on the ground?
    Why, I cant answer you exactly but can maybe help shed some light.

    All aircraft systems runs on circuit breakers and I mean all of them. There has been many accidents in the past where people have popped critical breakers on the ground because they give alarms and never pushed back before take-off with fatal results. There has been accidents(suicide) where its been proven that the pilot popped the breakers to the black boxes. This is all in the name of safety. If you have a short you dont want a fire at 35000ft so the circuit beaker helps you.

    As far as radar goes older systems were on or off. Transponders (aircrafts side of radar) is a key component in TCAS. With TCAS aircraft will warn pilots of other aircraft in the vicinity and will eventually take action for you. If a aircraft is on final approach and another is waiting for take off if the transponder is not off the landing aircraft will just see a accident coming and take avoiding action. New mode S and ADS-B they will go on standby on the ground but its still only a button and you can turn them off. You can take the button away but the circuit breaker will remain.

    Option left is to run a independent battery with a gps/position transmitter and have the battery charnged by the APU. This means no in flight charging but eliminates the risk of overheating batteries and minimal circuits that can give problems. The industry will greatly oppose this as we have 15000 commercial aircraft(100+ seats) in our skies. Cost of development and installation will possibly be tenths of thousands US$ if not hundreds of thousands US$ per aircraft.
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    Transponder turned off deliberately?


    But if the flight traveled west over Peninsular Malaysia, as the air force chief was quoted saying, it would have flown very close to a beacon in the city of Kota Bharu operated by Flightradar24, a global tracking system for commercial aircraft.

    Mikael Robertsson, the co-founder of Flightradar24, said the transponder on the jet never sent a signal to that receiver, which means that if the plane did fly that way, its transponder had either been knocked out of service by damage or had been shut off.
    “We see every aircraft that flies over there, even if it’s very, very low, so if it flew over there, the transponder was off,” he said.


    A pilot can turn off the transponder, Mr. Robertsson said, and the fact that the last contact from the Malaysia Airlines flight’s transponder came at roughly the same time that the cockpit crew stopped communicating with ground controllers by radio suggests that that is what happened, Mr. Robertsson said.



    “I guess to me it sounds like they were turned off deliberately.” The plane disappeared from Flightradar24’s tracking system at 1:21 a.m. Saturday while flying at 35,000 feet over the Gulf of Thailand; Malaysia Airlines has said that the last radio communication with the pilots was at about 1:30 a.m., but has not given a precise time.


    Mr. Robertsson noted that since the plane had been fully fueled for a trip to Beijing, it could have traveled a great distance beyond its last reported position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Barend D View Post
    So the plot thickens

    Malaysia’s Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the missing plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca.

    The time given by Rodzali was an hour and 10 minutes after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens over Igari waypoint, midway between Malaysia and Vietnam.

    "It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

    Now the military are denying this...

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    I’ve heard on the radio this morning that the cell phones of passengers are ringing and goes to voicemail, what is going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toppie4x4 View Post
    I’ve heard on the radio this morning that the cell phones of passengers are ringing and goes to voicemail, what is going on?

    Refer my previous post regarding cell phones
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    CNN raises an interesting point today. If it sank in the Mallaca Straits , the sounds of any beacons would be drowned by the shipping there being the busiest shipping lane in the world ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    I'm going to eat some humble pie and acknowledge Barend could be right in light of the new "evidence".

    But what astounds me is that it is possible to switch of every form of contact with an aircraft while in flight. Why would one allow this sort of override unless it's parked on the ground?
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