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    Let's hope that this is it. An hour ago:


    An Australian navy vessel picked up two extended signals from deep underwater in the past 24 hours, in what authorities said was the best lead yet in a month long search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

    By Robb M. Stewart in Melbourne, Australia, Rachel Pannett in Sydney

    The U.K. Royal Navy ship HMS Echo is on its way to assist the Chinese vessel Haixun 01, above. Reuters
    The Australian navy picked up extended signals from deep underwater that may have come from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370′s two “black box” flight recorders, in what authorities said was the best lead yet in a month long search.

    The naval ship Ocean Shield—fitted with U.S. Navy black-box detector equipment able to pick up signals far beneath the ocean surface—has been searching an area of the southern Indian Ocean off the coast of Western Australia that investigators believe is the most likely spot where the plane may have run out of fuel, more than 1,000 miles from the nearest airport, after disappearing from civilian radar on March 8.

    The first of the signals was held for more than two hours, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who is leading the multinational search, said Monday. On a return trip along the same path early on Sunday morning, two distinct “pinger” signals were detected and held for about 13 minutes.

    “Significantly, this would be consistent with transmission from both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder,” Air Chief Marshal Houston said. “Clearly this is a most promising lead and probably in the search so far. The audible signal sounds to me just like an emergency locator beacon,” he added.

    Searchers still need to fix on a precise location before sending an underwater vehicle to investigate the finding, in an area of ocean some 4,500 meters (14,764 feet) deep, he said. Those depths are at the absolute limit of the undersea vehicle aboard Ocean Shield, after which crews would have to turn to other submersibles or dropping cameras to the ocean floor.

    The possible breakthrough comes at a critical time in the search. Locator beacons on the two flight recorders aboard the plane have an estimated battery life of about 30 days before they stop emitting signals. Monday marks the 30th day since the plane vanished on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board. The devices, if found, could provide vital clues to what occurred.

    In a sign of the significance authorities have apportioned to the latest development, a usually carefully choreographed media conference in Perth ventured for the first time Monday into the potential recovery of aircraft wreckage. If a location can’t be fixed based on signals, the navy will decide whether it should go ahead and deploy the underwater vehicle on board Ocean Shield to scan for wreckage on the sea floor, Air Chief Marshal Houston said. Ocean Shield is carrying an underwater unmanned vehicle—known as a Bluefin 21—but it has an operating limit of around 15,000 feet. Other underwater vehicles may have to be brought in that can handle depths exceeding that level, he said.

    Authorities were careful Monday to inject some caution into the latest development, however, in a search that has been plagued by false leads.

    “In deep water, funny things happen with acoustic signals,” Air Chief Marshal Houston said. “I would not be prepared to confirm that this is the spot where the aircraft is on the present evidence,” he said. “Without wreckage, we can’t say it’s definitely here. We have to go down and look.”

    Air-safety experts have said other maritime locating devices also use similar frequencies to flight recorders. Following a signal that search teams detected on April 3 but later discounted, the Australian agency leading the search operation warned that biological sources, such as whales, and shipping could lead to false alerts.

    Commander William Marks, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy’s Seventh Fleet, said the Ocean Shield picked up returns “with a slight variation in frequency.” He said that could be explained because the pingers for the two recorders aren’t precisely the same age and their acoustic signals could vary slightly as a result.

    The Ocean Shield was searching at the northern end of an arc determined as the most likely flight path for the missing Boeing 777-200 jetliner, based on updated satellite and aircraft performance data, when it made the discovery. On Friday and Saturday a Chinese vessel, Haixun 01, reported detecting several “acoustic pings” about 1.2 miles apart—about 300 nautical miles from the Australian naval ship on the edge of the southernmost of three designated search zones.

    The Chinese listening device was designed to identify sounds at depths of less than 1,000 feet, according to one person briefed on the Flight 370 probe, while the ocean bottom in parts of the search area exceeds 13,000 feet.

    Still, Air Chief Marshal Houston said Monday the Australian finding doesn’t rule out the earlier Chinese discovery. If the plane flew at a slightly higher speed than would be normal, it would likely have hit the water near the Chinese vessel. If it flew somewhat slower and burned less fuel, it likely would have crashed into the ocean nearer to the Ocean Shield location. U.K. navy ship HMS Echo was on its way to assist the Chinese vessel in its search on Monday.

    The former Australian defence chief warned that even if searchers can recover the signal again and accurately pinpoint the wreckage, they are in for a long-haul recovery effort with the Southern Hemisphere winter fast approaching.

    “We’re talking about a long operation here that will be measured in months,” Air Chief Marshal Houston said. “It will take several days to actually cover what would appear to be a fairly small area. Things happen very slowly at the depths we are dealing with,” he said. “Some of the water out there exceeds 5,000 meters, which is going to be very challenging.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonP View Post

    the elephant in the room, not addressed by western media, is how did the Australian military radar not pick up an unidentified aircraft only 1500km from its shore, and how did the British miscalculate the satellite pings (although they did admit it was a whole new ballgame when they did it the first time.)
    Military radar is extremely old technology. If you fly 300km off our coast you wont be seen, some (rather large part) of our country isnt even covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barend D View Post
    Military radar is extremely old technology. If you fly 300km off our coast you wont be seen, some (rather large part) of our country isnt even covered.
    ok maybe 1500km is expecting too much, but i doubt the aus radar is in as poor shape as the 3rd world radar you refer to.

    my point is the western media seems to want to set the west up as the hero's again
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonP View Post
    so the satellite pings were incorrectly calculated and the position has now moved further north east than any previous search, and immediately 2 ships pick up pings, yet the media is focused on how the Chinese vessel doesn't have the technology to have picked anything up.

    the elephant in the room, not addressed by western media, is how did the Australian military radar not pick up an unidentified aircraft only 1500km from its shore, and how did the British miscalculate the satellite pings (although they did admit it was a whole new ballgame when they did it the first time.)

    anyway i'm hoping this is actually it so the families can move on
    Leon I agree with your summary and people forget that the Chinese have always been good at "Ping Pong" .
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    How feasible is it to remove the black box from an aircraft and dump it in the sea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevjones View Post
    Leon I agree with your summary and people forget that the Chinese have always been good at "Ping Pong" .
    That's just wong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandyAndy View Post
    How feasible is it to remove the black box from an aircraft and dump it in the sea?
    Not sure where they are located on a 777...but on the Lear 45's I used to work on they where in the tail section. You had to take a panel of and then it was still quite a mission to get the thing disconnected.

    So...I don't know. If some conspiracy theories are right I suppose they could have landed somewhere with the 777, taken the black box out, and then flew out over the sea with another aircraft and dumped it somewhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LandyAndy View Post
    That's just wong!
    Ja thats why they could not get hold of any of the passengers on their cell phones, kept getting a "Wong number".
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    Quote Originally Posted by KobusDJ View Post
    This fake is going around. .

    LOL, that's not even a 777!
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    True, the main thing is they need to find something, anything soon. Airfrance black boxes were recovered 2 year after the accident but the the accident location was clear. We are now past the 30 day CVR/FDR battery life so they will die soon and the mystery will continue forever.
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    Scary....sit down, relax, have a drink and read this....


    America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilot-less drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment, weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in February 2014.

    What the Taliban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

    Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

    The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

    There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

    When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

    How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilot-less spy aircraft and drones.

    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

    The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.

    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists....

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxibelgium View Post
    Scary....sit down, relax, have a drink and read this....


    America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilot-less drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment, weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in February 2014.

    What the Taliban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

    Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

    The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

    There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

    When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

    How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilot-less spy aircraft and drones.

    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

    The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.

    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvandyk View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxibelgium View Post
    Scary....sit down, relax, have a drink and read this....

    Yawn...

    At least the conspiracy theorist twaddle is getting more creative.

    But at least do us a favour and quote some reputable sources rather than pass this off as your own
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    This might be the real thing at last:
    (From WSJ streaming)

    Australia Air Chief Marshal Says Ocean Shield Has Reacquired Possible Black Box Signals Twice in Same Area.

    Ocean Shield detecting 33.331KHz signals at 1.106 sec interval believed to be consistent with FDR/CVR pinger for #MH370.

    A lot of silt on sea bed may be absorbing signals from black boxes, says Leavey. #MH370

    Australia Air Chief Marshal Says Have Now Detected Four Signals in Same Area
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxibelgium View Post
    Buzy with the script of my new movie: anything is possible...
    That will make for a nice movie script I must say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    Yawn...

    At least the conspiracy theorist twaddle is getting more creative.

    But at least do us a favour and quote some reputable sources rather than pass this off as your own
    My favourite part of that story - since 911, every Boeing and probably my every airbus, has been equipped with remote control kit and can be flown from the ground like a drone. Bwahahha, seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxibelgium View Post
    Scary....sit down, relax, have a drink and read this....
    If the Boeing had the same remote control system used to control the spy drones, why capture and smuggle a control system and then transport it with an aircraft with the same system onboard? Why does China not just dismantle one of of the 777s flying with Air China, China Cargo Airlines, or China Southern?

    But then the control systems for the drones that are flown by the USAF are situated in the States, not on hilltops. Not that it would be necessary to have line of sight as comms are done via satellite in any case. And SEALs do not operate these drones, the USAF does. It is only the British drone operation where the control is in country, I believe inside Camp Bastion.

    O, and the control signals are encrypted, so even if China has a US system, they would still need the encryption keys to control each US drone. But why all the fuss, they have their own system in operation already, so its hardly necessary to steal the technology from the US.

    So yes, a conspiracy theory full of holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab2 View Post
    If the Boeing had the same remote control system used to control the spy drones, why capture and smuggle a control system and then transport it with an aircraft with the same system onboard? Why does China not just dismantle one of of the 777s flying with Air China, China Cargo Airlines, or China Southern?

    But then the control systems for the drones that are flown by the USAF are situated in the States, not on hilltops. Not that it would be necessary to have line of sight as comms are done via satellite in any case. And SEALs do not operate these drones, the USAF does. It is only the British drone operation where the control is in country, I believe inside Camp Bastion.

    O, and the control signals are encrypted, so even if China has a US system, they would still need the encryption keys to control each US drone. But why all the fuss, they have their own system in operation already, so its hardly necessary to steal the technology from the US.

    So yes, a conspiracy theory full of holes.
    Now why would you mess up a good story with all the facts

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