Stopping the trade in lion bones





Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Johannesburg
    Age
    59
    Posts
    712
    Thanked: 6

    Default Stopping the trade in lion bones

    South African lion farmers support the trade in lion bones, it was openly admitted on an Aardwolf program. I believe that all the bones from trophy lions goes into the market.

    There are internet petitions now doing the rounds to put pressure on the S.A. government to stop the trade.

    From the Avaaz website:
    Hundreds of South African lions are being slaughtered to make bogus sex potions for men. But we can stop this cruel trade by hitting the government where it hurts -- the tourism industry.

    A global ban on tiger bone sales has traders hunting a new prize -- the majestic lions. Lions are farmed under appalling conditions in South Africa for "canned hunting", where rich tourists pay thousands to shoot them through fences. Now experts say lion bones from these killing farms are being exported to phony 'medicine' makers in Asia for record profits. Trade is exploding and experts fear that as prices rise, even wild lions -- with only 20,000 left in Africa -- will come under poaching attack.

    If we can show President Zuma that this brutal trade is hurting South Africa's image as a tourist destination, he could ban and punish the trade in lion bones. Avaaz is taking out strong ads in airports, tourism websites and magazines, but we urgently need 1 million petition signers to give the ads their force. Sign the petition on the right to build our numbers fast.
    I rarely sign any Avaaz petition, I don't think it's a true reflection of opinion.
    They have thousands of signers listed who will just sign any petition to add numbers. That's just my personal opinion.

    The problem for me is, if they stop the trade in lion bones, how will that impact on the lion poaching stats? At the moment lion poaching is not a major problem (yet) but will this not be taking a step backwards?

    Emotionally I don't support trophy hunting, I cannot understand how someone can shoot a beautiful animal just for the kick of it.

    Morally, I cannot be against it. It is filling a critical gap in the conservation "market". Bad things are happening on lion farms but they need to rather clean up the industry than to try and stop it. Same as with rhino farming, the cost of a few to benefit the bigger picture.

    If you shoot a rooibokkie, you take the meat, the bones go to your dog and you cover the poof with the skin. No one has a problem with that.

    If a lion is shot, the hunter takes the skin and head, the meat is fed to the other lions and the bones go into the lion bone trade. So what's the difference then?
    Last edited by JennyB; 2013/11/03 at 08:16 AM.

    Customization and custom canvas work for any trailer, no matter the model or make.


    Catch us on FaceBook!

    Ultimate Overland - 4x4 Trailer Sales, Rental and Customization

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Gordon's Bay
    Age
    49
    Posts
    28,874
    Thanked: 4378

    Default

    Same thing. Lion, rhino , bokkie, sheep .. Whatever. Hard to be all sanctimonious about harvesting lion parts with a lamb chop on your plate...

    Again, it's about responsibility and sustainability.

    While it's legal and controlled by owners, you shoot the "past their prime" or problem animals.

    As soon as it's banned and poaching takes place - it's any lion, and you lose Healthy breeding animals.

    I don't know how much of a problem canned hunting or poor conditions really is, but yes, I'd prefer to see effort going into rectifying that than creating a while new illegal industry.

    These easterners seem to be prepared to snort or ingest anything in search of a hard on.

    Has no one informed them about Viagra?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Stellenbosch
    Age
    69
    Posts
    3,947
    Thanked: 489

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JennyB View Post

    ...I rarely sign any Avaaz petition, I don't think it's a true reflection of opinion. - That's the beauty of it you don't have to.

    They have thousands of signers listed who will just sign any petition to add numbers. That's just my personal opinion...
    I would like to see myself as an Avaaz member - not merely a signer as you are insinuating.

    I would seriously hesitate knocking Avaaz and the work they do. There are so many problem situations where they play a vital and crucial role in a very positive way. Dedicated folks who offer time & services to help us comfy arm-chair participants with a means to have our voices heard - and I mean really heard.

    Obviously one has to evaluate each case on its merits before adding support. To insinuate that I or others do otherwise is irresponsible and condescending.

    Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions, but it would be prudent to qualify and substantiate yours better when offered the way you do. I find your stated opinion above somewhat irresponsible. You do not know how others react, so don't generalise. Surely Avaaz has "thousands" of members (not just signers) who read and evaluate before adding, or refusing, a vote?

    Personally I would love to find out more on the lion bone subject. There must be a multitude of reasons why one would accept this Avaaz drive, or refuse it. The rhino, elephant and tiger trades have already shown what can happen when matters run out of control, and we have to ask ourselves why lion would be any different.
    Eggie.

    What this country needs more and more, are more unemployed politicians.
    - apology to Edward Langley.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Johannesburg
    Age
    59
    Posts
    712
    Thanked: 6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JennyB View Post
    .................
    From the Avaaz website:
    I rarely sign any Avaaz petition, I don't think it's a true reflection of opinion.
    They have thousands of signers listed who will just sign any petition to add numbers. That's just my personal opinion.
    Please quote me in context or read my statement in full.
    .... and yes, that is my opinion and I stand by it as you are entitled to yours.

    My opinion comes from being bombarded with emails from them to the point where it goes to my spam folder now.

    ..... but that is not the question here...
    Last edited by JennyB; 2013/11/03 at 09:35 AM.

    Customization and custom canvas work for any trailer, no matter the model or make.


    Catch us on FaceBook!

    Ultimate Overland - 4x4 Trailer Sales, Rental and Customization

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Stellenbosch
    Age
    69
    Posts
    3,947
    Thanked: 489

    Default

    Apologies if I did you wrong. To be clear, I did read your full statement.

    I tried to save space by highlighting the relevant bits - and that includes the rather big & bold quote above re your opinion. If I missed anything contextual, please point it out.

    No need to be bombarded with Avaaz emails - just unsuscribe !!
    Eggie.

    What this country needs more and more, are more unemployed politicians.
    - apology to Edward Langley.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Johannesburg
    Age
    59
    Posts
    712
    Thanked: 6

    Default

    Eggie, I unsubscripted yes thanx.

    I'm not going to argue the merits of these petitions with you.
    I said my say, that is it and I still stand by what I posted above.
    Last edited by JennyB; 2013/11/03 at 10:31 AM.

    Customization and custom canvas work for any trailer, no matter the model or make.


    Catch us on FaceBook!

    Ultimate Overland - 4x4 Trailer Sales, Rental and Customization

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Gordons Bay as a base - travelling Africa
    Posts
    2,738
    Thanked: 92

    Default

    I share the opinion of Jenny about Avvaz and other such websites, many people just sign to add numbers. e.g. other things must happen. I also did that in the past (not to add numbers, but to support such a case) with various emailadresses, than unsubscribed.

    Otherwise (MY opinion) I think, forbid the controlled trade leads into - increase of poaching - illegal harvested bones will increase immense in price. This again will increase the pressure on the wild lion population. ITS bad, but its the truth. See Rhino poaching, elephant poaching.
    The market demands it and will get it in any case. So or so.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Pretoria
    Age
    65
    Posts
    505
    Thanked: 116

    Default

    We are AVAAZ members, but rarely sign a petition. We only sign those that we feel strongly about eg. the killing of dolphins or deforestation, etc.
    When we don't agree with a request to sign, we immediately delete the email. End of story.
    We did not sign the lion petition.

    Although we don't agree with lion and rhino farming, it is probably the only way to lighten the burden on these animals in the wild.
    Jeep JK Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon 2009

    Know where you are going in life... you may already be there!

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Stellenbosch
    Age
    69
    Posts
    3,947
    Thanked: 489

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Danie Malan View Post
    We are AVAAZ members, but rarely sign a petition. We only sign those that we feel strongly about eg. the killing of dolphins or deforestation, etc.
    When we don't agree with a request to sign, we immediately delete the email. End of story.
    We did not sign the lion petition.

    Although we don't agree with lion and rhino farming, it is probably the only way to lighten the burden on these animals in the wild.

    It's good to know that I'm not alone in this.
    Eggie.

    What this country needs more and more, are more unemployed politicians.
    - apology to Edward Langley.

Similar Threads

  1. African Lion - ENDANGERED
    By Jayefe in forum Environmental & Conservation
    Replies: 62
    Last Post: 2014/02/07, 09:46 PM
  2. Rhino horn - time to legalise the trade say researchers
    By Jayefe in forum Environmental & Conservation
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 2013/03/03, 09:07 AM
  3. Rhino anti poaching
    By Henris in forum Environmental & Conservation
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 2012/11/26, 07:23 PM
  4. 1 Million to Ban the Lion Trade
    By Jayefe in forum Environmental & Conservation
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2012/06/29, 04:33 PM
  5. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 2012/03/08, 08:24 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •