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    Default Self sustaining power... !!!!

    The US has succesfully developed a means to extract more energy than that that is put in.
    In other words they get more power out than what they put in.... Although its nuclear.

    I think the future lies in nuclear powered vehicles. So who has a plan

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24429621

    Imagine:http://www.kulfoto.com/car-pictures/...el-concept-car









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    ek hoor hy werk soos 'n bom!!..
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    It's impossible.

    The energy is coming from somewhere.

    It's like HID lights - even though it only takes 35W to illuminate them and they emit more light than a 55W globe, the other light energy is coming from the burning down of the electrode.

    and somewhere there was energy used to manufacture everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It's impossible.

    The energy is coming from somewhere.

    It's like HID lights - even though it only takes 35W to illuminate them and they emit more light than a 55W globe, the other light energy is coming from the burning down of the electrode.

    and somewhere there was energy used to manufacture everything.
    They must be lying then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewfus View Post
    They must be lying then.
    no, misleading you

    Energy cannot be created.

    nuclear energy is the way to go, whether electric or whatever, but rememebr that the nuclear bit is fuel it has energy, which you deplete. all you are doing is extracting it.

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    That is such a misleading way to describe nuclear fusion, Andrew.

    You are getting confused ebtween "energy" and "electricity", which are two entirely different things. All power plants take fuel and turn it into electricity. Nuclear fusion, however, consumes unbelievable amounts of power, because you have to hold a ball of plasma which is as hot as the sun, and you can only do this using enormous magnets or lasers at the moment. They have also only been able to sustain fusion for a very few seconds, in my understanding, and are decades away from developing this commercially.

    So the formula here is that finally they have managed to get to the situation where this experimental version is producing more electricity (not energy, electricity) than it is consuming. After 60 years work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    no, misleading you

    Energy cannot be created.

    nuclear energy is the way to go, whether electric or whatever, but rememebr that the nuclear bit is fuel it has energy, which you deplete. all you are doing is extracting it.
    I see what you are saying:

    • The nuclear fuel contains energy.
    • The reaction requires energy to happen.
    • They claim more power than putting in (because they do not count the energy in the fuel, only that what they are putting in to create the reaction)...


    Right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewfus View Post
    I see what you are saying:

    • The nuclear fuel contains energy.
    • The reaction requires energy to happen.
    • They claim more power than putting in (because they do not count the energy in the fuel, only that what they are putting in to create the reaction)...


    Right
    prizackerly.

    as Mike says, it's taken 60 years to acheive this.

    If you get it wrong, all the energy in the 'fuel' arrives at once and you get Hiroshima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewfus View Post
    They must be lying then.
    No, you've merely misunderstood what is going on.

    Think of a coal fired power station that only produces enough electricity to power the conveyor belt that feeds the coal into the furnace. That's where nuclear fusion is at the moment. The fuel is deuterium, I think, but the principle is exactly the same.

    Oh, and it will never go in a car, other than in the form of electricity, presumably via batteries of some sort.

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    Cold fusion is the way to go. It's clean.

    Google "cold fusion tokamak"

    We then use cold fusion to generate Hydrogen and Oxygen from water which in turn will power hydrogen fuel cells in cars with electric motors.

    No dirty, heavy batteries. Just clean energy with water vapour as your only emission. Powerful electric motors with one moving part. Huge service intervals and quick refuel (unlie stupid batteries)

    On top of that hydrogen fuel cells can be hugely inexpensive once the development has been done and paid for so you could even use your car's fuel cell to power your house. Making coal powerplants a thing of the past.

    Unfortunately oil is a huge part of the world economy so not much is being done by the government to aid research and development of cold fusion and hydrogen fuel cells.

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    I heard a group of fishermen is going to buy three of those cars, throw them in the Roodeplaat dam and in three years they expect to fish for the biggest twin tailed three eyed fish you've ever seen.............!!! Stru...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    prizackerly.

    as Mike says, it's taken 60 years to acheive this.

    If you get it wrong, all the energy in the 'fuel' arrives at once and you get Hiroshima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    prizackerly.

    as Mike says, it's taken 60 years to acheive this.

    If you get it wrong, all the energy in the 'fuel' arrives at once and you get Hiroshima.
    Sounds like some of my threads...

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    E=MC squared! (energy= mass times the square of the speed of light!)

    the energy in the tip of your pencil could run your car for years-maybe millenia-if you know how to get it out safely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    I heard a group of fishermen is going to buy three of those cars, throw them in the Roodeplaat dam and in three years they expect to fish for the biggest twin tailed three eyed fish you've ever seen.............!!! Stru...!
    That's nuclear fishin"-not nuclear fission!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAG View Post
    Oh, and it will never go in a car, other than in the form of electricity, presumably via batteries of some sort.

    Mike
    I think we will get micro-station nuclear power one day (for cars, for homes etc), unless we find a more attractive alternative, such as hugely efficient solar harvesting and very efficient and cheap battery storage.

    120 years ago there was no powered flight, now you can fit a mircolight into your car and fly off the beach somewhere.

    At least I hope that humans carry on inventing stuff ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    Cold fusion is the way to go. It's clean.........
    Unfortunately, it also imaginary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeAG View Post
    Unfortunately, it also imaginary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durbsviking View Post
    I think we will get micro-station nuclear power one day (for cars, for homes etc),
    The pebble bed plant was invented but so far failed.It was designed to fit in a house and supply a neighbourhood or town


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