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    Question Defender 110: Td5 or Tdi as daily drive?

    Morning,
    I would like to get a bit of feedback from current Defender owners, even 90 owners.

    I am in the process of purchasing either a Td5 or a Tdi 110 Defender. The 110 is the only one that makes sense due to family dynamics.

    I have a choice of two vehicles, details:
    1.) 2000 Defender 110 Td5: 340000km engine reconditioned, some minor niggles to sort. Still looks great and drives well.
    2.) 1997 Defender 300tdi: 234000km, still good mechanically and also in good general condition. Haven't driven it.

    Both at the same price and with similar extras.

    Points of ponder:
    - Fuel consumption differences?
    - if I fit a VVT to the Tdi would it help with the power difference and driveability?
    - Reliability, I am the only male in the house with 3 women, as we would like to use it for long distance trips as well?

    Any thoughts or issues that I have to consider?

    Please give me your honest feedback, it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance,
    Marius.

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    I assume you know that a Defender as a daily is not for everybody.

    I would take tdi out of those two. Less milage and simpler mechanicals.
    Dewald

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    Thanks DCR,
    Yes, I know it is not for everybody, my daily usage will serve as stress relieve when I travel between meetings! I travel on avaerage about 100km a day in total, only somedays travelling the odd 300 to 400km round trip. Thus about 60% town driving.
    Although I am a pen pusher by trade, I can still handle most mechanical repairs on my vehicles, myself.
    Marius.

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    the tdi is slightly lighter on gas in town, open road its about the same. td5 has lots more power, in saying that, my tdi (ive had both a defender and now a disco 1 tdi) cruises nicely at 110km and should do that all day. make sure its tuned correctly and the performance is good.

    as for doing the mods on turbo etc, some guys on here have had great results with bigger intercooler, vvt turbo, hybrid turbo, ceramic coating manifolds to do mods that don't stress the motor but do improve the drive.

    I love both the td5 and the tdi. and I know a few guys that use the defender as a daily drive and they love it. a did I when I used it. perhaps the td5 would be better for a daily cos of the extra oomph but id still go for the tdi!

    hope this helps.

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    I use a Defender 110 Td5 every day as a commute, about 20 km per day total. Have been doing it since 2000? Now have 220 000 km on the clock. Before that used a Defender 110 2.8 for the same thing for I don't know how long. That was a bit heavy on petrol but great to drive. Wouldn't change for anything but another Defender.

    I would pick the Td5 provided the rebuilding of the motor was done properly. That should put it right for another 300 000km. I think the Td5 is more driveable than the Tdi. I don't think there'll be much difference in running costs between the two.

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    Marius vat die td5... Maar eks dalk n biekie subjektief
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    Xander,
    Ek het geen idee hoekom jy so sal se nie!

    Ek flippen kan nie slaap nie, sal more weet wat ek kan doen!

    DJR and billyjoe, thanks for the replies. I have spoken to quite a few Defender owners over the weekend. Yes, I know some knowledgeable okes, having their own indie shops and always ready to assist with queries and questions, although most are way up north in Limpopo. At the end of the day I am realising that which ever I choose, I WILL get to know it very well and have to enjoy the pro's and con's.

    Fact is: I realy look forward to the Defender wave, so it is becoming somewhat of a give and take on the other factors.

    Thanks again,
    Marius.

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    Marius- are you looking at Xander's TD5?? I owned it before him and a friend of mine owned it since new. Wish I could buy it back!!!

    The td5 is a fantastic engine, get to know it, look after it and it will last a very long time!!!
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    Look on Gumtree, there are 2 x 2006 Kalahari's going for sale - one with 96 000 km!

    That's the Defender to have.

    http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-cars-in-...hari-513695224
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    Ja champ hy kyk na "ons" landy haha
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    IT'S MINE, Xander's (previously Champ's) 2000 Defender 110 Td5, is now mine!

    Can't wait to fetch it on Wednesday!

    THANKS Xander!

    Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

    HeeeeeeeeeeHa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusBez View Post

    IT'S MINE, Xander's (previously Champ's) 2000 Defender 110 Td5, is now mine!

    Can't wait to fetch it on Wednesday!

    THANKS Xander!

    Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

    HeeeeeeeeeeHa!
    Xander sent me a msg as soon as it was sold with the good news that it's new home will be with a fellow forum member!!! Congrats Marius.

    I've got all the invoices on file for work done while I owned the td5 2008 - 2012 january ; so don't hesitate to ask if you do need any info.
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    Thanks Champ,
    I have read through all the posts, placed by you and Xander,o relating to the Td5 and the issues sorted. I must say, the background info on the forum turned the purchase towards his/your Td5.

    Thanks again for extending the helping hand, will definately make use of it sometime I guess.

    Marius.
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    I really loved that landy...and probably still do, it's like your first love

    Did my first trip in that landy back in 2002 as a high school laaitie- plenty of memories. Very happy that it went to a loving home. I said NO to prosperous buyers twice before Xander bought it- just because. I know Xander did the same and funny enough my friend who owned it before me did the same- he took it off the market 3 times before eventually selling it to me

    May you have many MANY happy miles!!!

    Step one- find yourself a proper indie (Walter in pta east) for all the mayor stuff, minor things should be DIY
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    Baie geluk Marius!
    Sy wag vir jou ...
    Die landy het vrek baie karakter en ek hoop hy gee jou net so goeie diens soos hy vir ons gegee het.
    Sien woensdag
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    I bought my TD5 new in 2005, still going fine today at 315,000 kms, engine not opened, +9 km/lt. It is my DKW car: Dans, Kerk and Werk. It has seen many routes, veld trips and has done a great deal of work, albeit mostly doing daily commuting in Gauteng (40km - 200km, depending on meetings)

    Biggest issue (actually not an issue at all) is that it does not fit parking garages below 2.1m. Otherwise it is probably not a bad choice for city life
    * Taxis exibit a greater level of respect, knowing my stopping distance is somewhat less effective that a platcar. The bullbar demotivates some to push in but some still try
    * I had a guy once fell asleep driving in the car behind me (Tuesday morning around 08h20 on the M1, doing about 8 kms/h). Poor guys car has a nasty dent on the bonnet. I drove off with an apology from him; not a mark...
    * They talk of the potholes in the Free State, but the raod conditions put a lot a strain on a cars suspension. My A4 (prior to the TD5) required some serious maintenance on its suspension at 279,000 kms. My TD5 does not even have play on the steering yet.
    * SWAMBO's Platkar (nice 2.5 C30) has a fuel consumption (local and school drives only) of more than the TD5 on commute.
    * Cost of ownership is similar or less that that to an "expensive Platkar". After +300k kms, my log suggests that tyres are cheaper (I get about x3 the distance), and services are similar but less frequent (20,000 kms, admitting that I do a religious DIY oil change inbetween).
    * I can see over the roofs of almost every vehic,e in traffic, know when a tenth car ahead started to brake, and don't need to wait for the much-to-late braking lights in front of me to go on. This helps my already slower response time a lot.

    Just a few benefits of the top of my head. I think you made a great choise

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