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    Exclamation Radical trails are a concern

    An ever increasing number of vehicles are being damaged on trails and the question to be asked is;
    1. are the trails becoming more radical......or
    2. are drivers becoming more gung-ho ?
    I have never seen a wild animal feeling sorry for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond du Plessis View Post
    An ever increasing number of vehicles are being damaged on trails and the question to be asked is;
    1. are the trails becoming more radical......or
    2. are drivers becoming more gung-ho ?
    or 3. are customers told that their vehicles are more capable than what they really are?

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    4.are insurers looking in to "way out"

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    People believe their 'Steed Extreme' (not picking on it, the name just fitted) can do the same as something like this:


    Then they find out it can't
    IFS is like a swambo, soft, sexy and expensive!

    Apparently I need to make the airplane noises like mommy does when I try to spoon feed you the info..

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    What kind of damage are you seeing the most?

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    5. Users have more piece of mind because of their insurance.
    Everything is a hammer.
    Unless it is a screw driver.

    Then it it a chisel.

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    Me thinks it is a combination of many things.

    1. Vehicles are not as capable with most having IFS.
    2. Drivers are not experienced enough
    3. But they give in to group pressure to try things they should not.
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    Raymond, what type of damage do you see the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biltong View Post
    Me thinks it is a combination of many things.

    1. Vehicles are not as capable with most having IFS.
    2. Drivers are not experienced enough
    3. But they give in to group pressure to try things they should not.
    On the flip side:

    The more experience you gain the more radical stuff you want to do.
    We are 4x4 ers after all

    Hypothetically speaking for insurance purposes of course I never do anything more than a soft roader trail promise
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    I recon more and more people are doing it and the pressure is on to see what the vehicles can do and to prove that my bakkie is better than yours.

    I think the future compulsory training requirements is a good thing, however it is not going to teach people to drive offroad in a day or 2, It's not like you can fail a training session so it's not going to solve the problem but surely will help
    People will go out and push the limits and as a result damage will be done.
    I think there is nothing wrong with the trails and if you drown an engine for example because you did not walk or make sure it is doable then you should not put this on an insurer but take responsibility for a stupid mistake and handle it
    If Force is not the solution, not enough of it was applied....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uys View Post
    5. Users have more piece of mind because of their insurance.

    Users have more piece of mind because of their fitted Stofpad products

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    5. I'm insured for off-road. So what if I damage my R500 000 4X4, it will be replaced by TUFFSTUFF.
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    I think Uys has hit the nail on the head.

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    Raymond, it would be very interesting to know how many of these occurrences were the result of ego and/or peer pressure......you know, the "Jy's 'n pissie" factor....or "Jou {fit what you like} is useless man!!" And of course the infamous "Hou vas my dop en check hierdie move"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uys View Post
    5. Users have more piece of mind because of their insurance.
    Is that not why we have insurance in the first place?

    Any insurance, ex life insurance, home etc.
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    Seeing as I have to claim shortly, I am definitely subscribed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkie View Post
    Raymond, it would be very interesting to know how many of these occurrences were the result of ego and/or peer pressure......you know, the "Jy's 'n pissie" factor....or "Jou {fit what you like} is useless man!!" And of course the infamous "Hou vas my dop en check hierdie move"
    Agreed - maybe the circumstances should be investigated properly for each case. Whether the true story will ever be told is a concern, though.

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    Personally, I feel vehicles are written off to easily these days, whether it is an on- or off road claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThysleRoux View Post
    Personally, I feel vehicles are written off to easily these days, whether it is an on- or off road claim.
    Thys, die versekeraars is een van die culprits!

    My BMW is nou in vir 'n ligte ou oopsie wat ek gemaak het. Regter agterste fender teen 'n ou geel paaltjie liggies , baie liggies laat raak.


    Kwotasie om dit reg te maak R9500. Versekeraar dring aan daarop dat ek 'n BMW goed gekeurde paneel klopper gebruik, onthou, dis 'n ligte krappie, niks strukturele skade nie. Koste R54000!!!


    En voor die kar nog reggemaak is kry ek n brief oor my "loss ratio" wat nou hoog raak, maar dit was hulle besluit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThysleRoux View Post
    Personally, I feel vehicles are written off to easily these days, whether it is an on- or off road claim.
    I tend to agree. The same can be said for part replacement, due to the design of vehicles nowadays, it's easier (albeit more expensive) to simply replace a part / segment / module than it is to repair. Some German brand vehicle workshop quoted my FIL a good R80k odd to replace his gearbox, as it was not serviceable. The German ou toppie around the block from us quoted R5,500, incl. labour & parts...not serviceable...bha!!
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