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View Poll Results: Which 2nd hand 4x4 would you choose?

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  • Colt 3L V6 Petrol 1997

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  • Nissan Patrol 4.2 Petrol 1995

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  • FORD EXPLORER 4L V6 1997

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  • Pajero DOHC -24 V6 3500 1996

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    Lightbulb A bit of advice from the pros

    Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask. I've been on the forum a while but sold my last 4x4 and I'm only now back in the market. Last vehicles I had was a Ford Ranger 2005 club cab and a Mazda LWB after that.

    I'm looking at a few vehicles, mostly to be used on weekends and camping getaways, no real serious 4x4ing or overlanding - will always take the safer route if I can. Hopefully starting a new family, so looking at a double cab or SUV style. Will sacrifice fuel consumption for cheaper maintenance as it isn't a daily use vehicle. I have a little 1300 Corolla to zip around in for day to day stuff.

    I'm looking at the following:

    Colt Double Cab 3L V6 petrol 1997 with 280 000km, has some extras like water tank, dual battery, sliding boxes for about R48k. Apparently need to sort out tappets leaking oil. Guessing about R3k needed to fix?

    A 1995 Nissan Patrol 4.2 petrol 240 000km for R45k

    A 1997 Ford Explorer 4L V6 (automatic) 1997 with 256 000km for R45k

    Isuzu 3.2 v6 frontier 4x4 1999 with 235 000km for R45k

    Pajero DOHC 24 V6 3500, 1996 with 227 000km for R49k

    A Toyota Hilux (but it's in Sedgefield) 1995 2.2L petrol, 213 000km (rebuild) for R45. I really like Toyota but hard to come by.

    And my dream car, a Toyota Landcruiser, 1989 petrol with 280 000km, For R39k. Apparently mechanically perfect, body "needs attention" but not sure what. Minor rust isn't a problem, happy to spend an extra R10k sorting that kind of thing out. Not sure if petrol consumption is insane or practicality compared to the newer ones above. Still, someday I want one, maybe when I'm retired

    If the above vehicles are all in decent mechanical condition, which would you consider the best option? My priority is reliability, cheap to maintain, safety, then capability and fuel consumption. Not towing anything heavy, and we're happily fully-kitted ground dwellers

    Thanks in advance, any advice appreciated!

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    Take the Patrol if you want to stick to your list.

    Ford Explorer: Australian built, spares are scarce and VERY expensive

    Colt: that V6 engine will be very tired by now.

    Isuzu: too low but a nice engine.

    The Pajero isn't bad option, good engine.

    The Hilux is under-powered and if from Sedgefield, will be a rust-bucket by now.

    Land Cruiser: OK, but also prone to rust and very thirsty engine.

    MY CHOICE: Land Rover Defender 2.5 TDi Hard Top or Station Wagon.
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    Thanks Jelo!
    Your choice - the Land Rover Defender 2.5 TDi Hard Top or Station Wagon - would I find something like that for R50k or under? What about Land Rover parts / servicing, isn't that quite expensive?

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    Yes you'll find one if you shop around.

    http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-cars-in-...-tdi-486530226

    Or have a look at the TDi Discoveries:

    http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-caravan-...-tdi-491276591

    Those TDi engines will run on anything oily and don't break easily.

    Plenty of independent mechanics in the CT area.
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    And spares are cheaper than most of your Jap Crap. Definitely cheaper that Toy-Buckets........
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    Thanks Jelo, having a look at those links now. I've only shied away from Landy because so many people say you need to be a millionaire to maintain it. My uncle in Namibia is a huge fan and collector of Landies, I'll give him a shout as well and get some more info.

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    Do that. The Defender TDi can be fixed using rivets, bloudraad, duck tape, super glue, a sifting spanner, a pair of pliers and a hammer.

    No ECU, not much electrics, a good engine, solid axles, great chassis.
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    I've always liked the Defender I must say, spent a week driving with my Uncle in Namibia a few years ago in one. What about the short wheel ones? Would you rate them as just as good? I also see a LOT of 3L V6 Freelanders around for dirt cheap, they look a bit girly but are they any good?

    By the way thanks for all the feedback, really appreciate it.

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    The Freelander 1 isn't a Land Rover. It was a huge failure and nobody should touch one.

    I even know one mechanic here that gave up on his. And he got it for FREE............

    It wasn't called the GayLander for nothing.

    Probably just right for CT hair-dressers though........
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    Isuzu too low?? its not high, but a bit shorther and will surprise you, recently at a club challenge most of the Double cab hung up, the frontier went over things like nothing.

    My vote, frontier coz i am an isuzu fan cant comment on the other vehicles, but you wont be sorry with a frontier, it punches way above its class and its fairly cheap to maintain in terms of spares.

    If you looking at a diesel perhaps, 280 frontier is even better, either way, try get a 4x4, cost a bit more. I had a 280 double cab, very nice, but it was just not comfy for rear sitting people. The frontier is like a limo for passengers.
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    As for the D90: lovely vehicle, but packing space is a little limited and it can be uncomfortable on certain roads and tracks due to the short wheel base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    Isuzu too low?? its not high, but a bit shorther and will surprise you, recently at a club challenge most of the Double cab hung up, the frontier went over things like nothing.

    My vote, frontier coz i am an isuzu fan cant comment on the other vehicles, but you wont be sorry with a frontier, it punches way above its class and its fairly cheap to maintain in terms of spares.

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    Well it's quite low compared to most others. Could do with a 50mm lift.
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    3 inch shackles and a bit of turning on the torsions, cost very little. I agree it is low, but the shoter wheel base sorts that out. Do not be put of by it being low. its the last thing u must worry about, its not an issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    Isuzu too low?? its not high, but a bit shorther and will surprise you, recently at a club challenge most of the Double cab hung up, the frontier went over things like nothing.

    My vote, frontier coz i am an isuzu fan cant comment on the other vehicles, but you wont be sorry with a frontier, it punches way above its class and its fairly cheap to maintain in terms of spares.

    If you looking at a diesel perhaps, 280 frontier is even better, either way, try get a 4x4, cost a bit more. I had a 280 double cab, very nice, but it was just not comfy for rear sitting people. The frontier is like a limo for passengers.
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    Thanks Sweeper. Mega clearance isn't a top priority for me because I doubt I'm going to do any rock spider stuff, mostly mud, sand, gravel and maybe a few river crossings (if it looks safe enough!). It's more about getting to those camping spots that say you need a 4x4 rather than me trying to be gungho and doing crazy 4x4 stuff

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    The Isuzu 2.8 4JB1T turbo diesel is also a sweet little engine and I rate them highly.
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    frontier does crazy and easy very well. add it to your voting poll..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Freelander 1 isn't a Land Rover. It was a huge failure and nobody should touch one.

    I even know one mechanic here that gave up on his. And he got it for FREE............

    It wasn't called the GayLander for nothing.

    Probably just right for CT hair-dressers though........
    Hahahaha! Okay so the rumours about the "Gaylander" are true then, as a Landy fan I will take that as the final word from you on those!
    We pack pretty light for ground dwellers, so will definitely also look at the D90, seems they're mostly priced out of my range though, saw one on Gumtree for R70k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    frontier does crazy and easy very well. add it to your voting poll..
    Thanks Sweeper, I see a few for sale, typical that the ones in Durbs and JHB are R10k cheaper than here in CT!!

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    you noticed that also! weird, CPT ones are crazy priced. There is a guy called mario in CPT. He knows them backwards. If you wanno go see any in CPT give him a ring to help you check it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelo View Post
    The Isuzu 2.8 4JB1T turbo diesel is also a sweet little engine and I rate them highly.
    Is that an Isuzu Trooper?

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