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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Wheel Lover View Post
    ........ "I'll ask for help when I think I need it, until then SHUT UP!"
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    M2CW is this:

    Camera angle does not show the real steepness of the road, nor do I think he was going too fast
    He just chose a complete wrong line.... Tough luck.

    I think he was in neutral / clutched as the engine does not change in revs even once he starts going over.

    Just blerry amazing how slowly and at the same time quick (and kinda gracefull) this can happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanB View Post
    My question is once he was going down diagonally and dipped into that 1st hole, what could he have done to save it?
    Should have come back straight forward slowly then a sharp right as soon as the LR wheel started climbing out the rut. His RR wheel being against that slope would have helped push his LR wheel out of the rut. But, under those circumstances it is easier said than done. Better still would have been to stop dead, and get a pull forward from another vehicle.

    I agree whole-heartedly with Zantus w.r.t. keeping your wheels in the ruts. Unless they're a meter deep of course, but those didn't seem THAT bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    I think he was in neutral / clutched as the engine does not change in revs even once he starts going over.
    Not necessarily - could be an auto box....
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    my 2c worth;
    1. started with the wrong line
    2. started without being in gear and letting it down under compresion
    3. Went down too fast
    I can tell you it's easy to talk after seeing it on the video, but when you're in that situation... It happens too easy and too quick!!
    Glad to hear that they were ok though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    Not necessarily - could be an auto box....
    Nope, me thinks not. As she starts going over, the front wheels are stationary. I dont know how the 4x4 system works together with an auto box, but I think there would be a engine noise change.
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    The camera just does not do justice on the steepness of the incline. When the arse of the vehicle went into the rut it just compounded the angle too much.

    Could anyone prevent it?? Yes but unlikely! I was almost in the same thing at Atlantis and SPEED is the killer as you dont realize you are going to roll over unless its too late. If im not sure I will rather hang out like a baboon and get the right line.

    The thing is its a accident and it happens VERY FAST. Could have been me. Just be buccled up and make sure the insurance debit opder was paid!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    Could have been me. Just be buccled up and make sure the insurance debit opder was paid!!
    My immediate reaction on seeing the video was "There, but for the grace of God, do I".
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    I picked this thread up on newhilux.net and is a reply from the driver of the pajero
    The story Part-1 [Quote]: Well guys I'd thought I supply you with some detail on a recent mishap of mine.Late November I went away with a group of guys up near Talbingo Reservoir up behind Tumbarumba NSW. There was 5 vehicles in total and it was a drive in on Saturday and out Sunday swag camping over nighter thing.Nice little spot but we got rained on over night but hey you get that.Anyhow we left our camping spot about 9:30 am on the one way in same way out track and I was second last.There was a step incline on the track and although we made it up the last older 4x4 didn't have the power to get out.So we were asked to back down to provide a snatch/tow up.In the Pajero was myself and a mate.We both had the thought as we got back in the Paj as to getting one of us to maybe guide us down but neither of us voiced this thought. There were a couple of young guys with us who were going to video tape the snatch and we also thought that they'd yell out if something was going wrong, but nor did we say anything to them.Now you'll very quickly see what went wrong and how quickly and easily it happened.Basically I backed and went out of the wheel ruts, then slide back, the back left hand side wheel ended up in the right handside rut and this wheel then acted as a wedge and then gravity took over.As we went on the side I looked down and checked that my mate had his head, arms, etc inside which he did. I then said we're going over mate.We then rolled on the roof, then the weight of the front end took us over the bank.We then collected one tree and took that one out. This then pushed us over towards the second tree as we started to go for another roll. This second tree stopped us thankfully as after that there just really wasn't to many large trees and simply put we won't be here.I stuck my hand out and touched the tree and checked it was stable, checked my mate was ok grabbed the mobile and sat phone and said lets get the out of here

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    2nd part
    The story Part-2. [Quote]:Other then a bit of whip lash and shock we both came out of it pretty well.

    We got a lot of gear out with out putting anyone in danger.

    A couple of impressive things, the motor was still running, the Waeco fridge not only survived but was also still running when we opened the back door. Front and back windows remained in tact.

    Took the insurance company's salvage crew 19 hours to get it out.

    Now go easy with your opinions guys as I'm sure you'll appreciate that I've beaten myself up pretty much over the incident.

    Car's can be replaced but people can't and to effectively walk away with very little injury we can just be thankfull hey!

    So I supply this detail and the video to the world as just to show everyone how easy things happen and take it easy out there...


    I just hope i never end up in this situation

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    This also reinforces for me two other safety rules which I dont personally apply rigidly enough:

    When climbing, descending or traversing steep slopes:
    1) Windows up. So if you roll to help prevent any part of your or a passenger's body gets thrown out and gets crushed under the vehicle.
    2) Seat belts on.

    And also
    3) All heavy goods inside the passenger cabin strapped down. This is actually a major issue for me. My car's a station wagon type and on any trip I have up to a ton of stuff in there. I used to try and strap it down but it became such a pain accessing stuff that I stopped doing it. I need a solution here.

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    Alan,

    A cargo net over everything is a good option.

    I hope you have tie-down brackets in your SUV.

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    I picked up the following on the patrol4x4.com forum. It seems the car was written off and he's now getting a patrol.

    http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showt...1&highlight=ti

    He also posted the following on Thursday. It was an auto and he was in gear. He also admits, not being in the ruts was the main cause of the problem.......

    Really comes down to my mistake of not being in the ruts. Then possibly the lack of articulation on the Paj and then Gravity.
    With respect to your question of "Turning the other way" there just wasn't time.
    I did have the thought of putting some gas on quick whilst in reverse to bring down the nose but I was to close the bank and as this thought went through my head we were gone anyhow!

    The Pajero was an auto and the higher gearing also didn't help and controlled accelerator+breaking was done it wasn't enough I guess.

    Lessons learnt, YEP!

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    My summary:
    • the driver was not reckless
    • he was damn unlucky that small things added up in exactly the wrong way to cause the roll-over:
    1. steep gradient, giving momentum and reducing the angle of equilibrium.
    2. ruts at an angle across the track, lowering the LHS rear wheel & swinging the Pajero sideways
    3. bank on RHS, lifting RHS rear wheel, adding to the roll-over momentum
    That's why I named the thread

    "It happens so easily!"




    Anatomy of a Roll Over

    If you position your Jeep in such a way that the Center of Gravity is moved outside the gravity support structure of your tires, your Jeep will become unstable and will roll.
    Lets look at this from another view, from the rear.
    When your Jeep is on level ground looking from the back the Center of Gravity is contained between the driver and passenger side tires, or in other words, within the gravitational support structure.
    As your Jeep is positioned somewhat off-camber to the driver’s side, the Center of Gravity (CG) will move closer to the edge of the gravitational support structure (green line).
    Note that the Center of Gravity did NOT MOVE in relation to the Jeep itself. (It is still the Radio Volume Control Knob.)
    If you position your Jeep too far off-camber, the Center of Gravity will move outside the gravitational support structure (red line) created by your tires and your Jeep will roll.
    Why do we roll?
    We roll because the Center of Gravity is no longer balanced under our “preferred gravity support structure” formed by our tires!
    This is a basic law of Physics.
    The Center of Gravity is always balanced (contained) within the gravitational geometry of some support structure.
    If the Center of Gravity is moved outside one structure (your tires), the Center of Gravity will be supported by another support structure. (Like the side of your Jeep!)

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