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    Quote Originally Posted by Juha S. View Post
    Back from Van Zyl's.I did alone without "second" driver....Not that bad what I was thinking.My d-cap took most hits when in last downhill.

    Most horrifying moment I had in Hoanib river bed when flash flood got me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juha S. View Post
    Back from Van Zyl's.I did alone without "second" driver....Not that bad what I was thinking.My d-cap took most hits when in last downhill.

    Most horrifying moment I had in Hoanib river bed when flash flood got me..

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    Same league as Tony, if you have pictures of the flash floods and it's consequences to you, then we are waiting for details.
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    I will post more details and pictures later.Maybe "flash flood got me" sounds dramatic, but It was quite thrilling to see how the circumstances can change very quickly when rain begins.

    -juha

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    I have been gearing up to do Van Zyl's on way from Epupa to Etambura luxury camp near Marble mine (overnight at VZ community camp) now in June. Both vehicles are well equipped and I am quite happy with my ability to get through unscathed. However, my brother in law is very concerned about damaging his Fortuner as he can't buy another in a hurry. This, plus the arduous journey to VZ camp and its effect on the kids, have me pausing to consider the D3707 from Opuwo via Kaoko Otavi . We could then drive up the Marienfluss a bit the next day and back to Etambura.
    So:
    - Is that route reasonably scenic and pleasant? Road condition?
    - Where should we camp? Marble mine? Anywhere before there?
    - Will I be losing much? We can always walk up to the VZ viewpoint. I personally would like to tick the box but I'm not going to do it at others expense.
    - Is there a loop you'd advise to go up Marienfluss and back to Etambura?

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    mriguy:

    You don't mention the Etanga-Marble Mine route from Opuwo. Co-incidentally, I just posted a trip report including that one today. Look under the Overlanding section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodS View Post
    mriguy:

    You don't mention the Etanga-Marble Mine route from Opuwo. Co-incidentally, I just posted a trip report including that one today. Look under the Overlanding section.

    Thanks will do. I mentioned the one I had seen described earlier in this thread as being scenic but I'm open to suggestions!

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    Look at the D3703 as an alternate route via Otjihaa to Marble Camp.
    Last I drove the D3707 from Marble Camp it was very corrugated...

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    I'm forced to take kaoko otavi road(D3707) from opuwo to Marble Camp/Etambura instead of VZ pass as I am having a fuel pump fitted in Kamanjab. I'm also leaving Opuwo only at midday because of it. How long is the drive time wise (without meal stop)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriguy View Post
    I'm forced to take kaoko otavi road(D3707) from opuwo to Marble Camp/Etambura instead of VZ pass as I am having a fuel pump fitted in Kamanjab. I'm also leaving Opuwo only at midday because of it. How long is the drive time wise (without meal stop)?
    In 2015 it took us 3h15 from the point where the, coming up the Hoarusib you intersect the D3707, to Marble Mine camp.
    Last year it took us 3h20 from about that same spot to switch-off in the Lodge at Opuwo.

    So, call it 6h30, without meal stop. Seems to long to me.

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    4 hours according to T4A:


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    @ PeetS
    The route that you are showing is not that via Kaoko Otavi, as proposed by mriguy, but the one via Etanga. I did that route in May, and it took us 8.5 hours. Including lunch and plenty of photo stops, yes, but what is the point of going there if you are not going to look around?

    The average speeds that T4A uses for this calculation are crazy. Just as a simple example, the last 11.3 km is shown as taking 15 minutes. Yes, you can cross the Otjiha Plain at 40 km/hr, but if you do you are an idiot.

    NB I mean T4A is the idiot, not you

    I see that Leg 4 of your screen dump is also calculated at ~40 km/hr. That is just not possible, the road will not allow it.
    I always treat these T4A times with caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodS View Post
    @ PeetS
    The route that you are showing is not that via Kaoko Otavi, as proposed by mriguy, but the one via Etanga. I did that route in May, and it took us 8.5 hours. Including lunch and plenty of photo stops, yes, but what is the point of going there if you are not going to look around?

    The average speeds that T4A uses for this calculation are crazy. Just as a simple example, the last 11.3 km is shown as taking 15 minutes. Yes, you can cross the Otjiha Plain at 40 km/hr, but if you do you are an idiot.

    NB I mean T4A is the idiot, not you

    I see that Leg 4 of your screen dump is also calculated at ~40 km/hr. That is just not possible, the road will not allow it.
    I always treat these T4A times with caution.

    Hi Rod,
    Thanks for the correction! ( no offense taken )

    I see now that I misread the Route no and went with the D3703 in stead of the D3707 although on T4A that option is only about 15 minutes longer!
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    What sort of distance are one looking at between fuel stops via van Zyls Pass. Busy planning my trip through the area later this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyRanger View Post
    What sort of distance are one looking at between fuel stops via van Zyls Pass. Busy planning my trip through the area later this year.
    You will have to give more information on your planned route. In my case the last fuel was at Ruacana, then Eupupa, Van Zyls, Marble Mine, Puros , Puros Canyon , Sesfontein and then Palmwag where I filled up again- a total of 850 km. I did not check if Sesfonteim had fuel because I had enough reserves between the long range tank and two jerries.
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    I actually realized that after I posted, but thanks anyway. Its one of two routes, with the one most likely being the one you described. The shortest would be about 710 to 750 without fuel if you get some in Sesfontein. I will have a safe range of about 800, thats why I have to tweek the route or rather take a bit extra.
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    Does anybody have up to date info on the state of Van Zyl's pass after the recent rains? Is it still doable?

    All my stops are being crossed off due to the rain

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    Itís still raining up here, so more damage can still be caused. Will only know what the condition is in August when I intend to go down there for the 14th time ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny View Post
    Does anybody have up to date info on the state of Van Zyl's pass after the recent rains? Is it still doable?

    All my stops are being crossed off due to the rain
    Hey, see the rain as a blessing. You will see the countryside the way very few do. It is a brilliant time to be up there. Just stay clear of the river beds.
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    Had rain for about 50% of the time from Windhoek to Kamanjab this afternoon. Thunderclouds with lightning all around Kamanjab tonight, but no rain as yet. Return trip to Ruacana tomorrow. We were here over Easter as well, but then the falls were dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Snyman View Post
    Had rain for about 50% of the time from Windhoek to Kamanjab this afternoon. Thunderclouds with lightning all around Kamanjab tonight, but no rain as yet. Return trip to Ruacana tomorrow. We were here over Easter as well, but then the falls were dry.

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