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    Quote Originally Posted by C Africa View Post
    The answer to this question is no, that law was scrapped when the new SA arrived. Criminals are now a protected species, and:
    • You can ONLY shoot if your life (or someone else's life) is being DIRECTLY threatened.
    • Even if you have the fullest justification (unquestioned self defense), your firearms will be seized by the police (as evidence), and you will be charged with murder or attempted murder (and your "crime" will be reported in the statistics as "a violent crime involving a firearm".)
    Remember, the criminals are the people who vote for the government, they have to be protected to preserve the vote!
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    As far as I understand it, if they have guns and are prepared to use them on you - you are still entitled to defend yourself with your gun? of course, you would shoot to disable them and not to kill them....

    any reason not to disable their helicopter while its on the ground? choppers are easy to keep down.. they don't like bullets in the motors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by henris View Post
    excellent news.
    plus one!!!!

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    [QUOTE=hbannink;561250]It seems as if the farmers are also becoming fed up with this nonsense, quote from another forum

    Great news, now it needs to be advertised extensively, especially in the east where the demand arises, creating doubt and decreasing demand.

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    I think anyone involved in any aspect of rhino poaching should be given life in prison, down to the floor sweeper and tea lady of the rhino poacher's headquarters.

    Or our laws should be amended so rhino poachers get the death sentence(by hyena), with them tried in one of those ultra-fast 'world cup' courts. Poach today, hyena chow by Friday.
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    What makes it difficult to stop these killings and horn harvesting if you can call it that, is the fact that there is strong evidence that government officials are involved in this poaching business and makes a lot of money. They don't care about the environment because money is what they want and lots of it. It is speculated that a single horn can be sold for R1.5m. So where do you start if you see how corrupt the officials in other departments are. Hopefully they will rot someday. They spoke to a person yesterday on kyknet news and it seems the rhino population across the borders are thinned out so now they come because we preserved them so well
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    Great news! I prefer to support the rhinos!

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    I think news will get around pretty quickly...

    http://bushwarriors.wordpress.com/20...d-rhino-horns/

    I think there will be some trouble for the farmers that have poisoned the horns - this is the same as leaving a bottle of brandy in the glove box laced with poison - they'll be up for pre meditated murder. I shall hastily point out here that I am 100% for the farmers that have had to take such measures to protect their stock!!! just the legal side of it...

    this guy however, has been clever - he has in fact ADVERTISED the fact he is poisoning his horns - and they still took one. fair warning I think. Plus the stupid (again, in terms of TOS I have left out the word I'd like to use here ) will have to finger the source of the horn - which opens them up, so I imagine there will be little coming back to whichever farmers have done it. GOOD FOR THEM!!!

    however - I should imagine that within the stupidity of the law they are going to be in for some trouble.

    hopefully they have the money - or a fund is set up to help them.... even more hopefully, sanity will prevail and the prosecutor will just send the complaints to file 13...

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    there is a second thread - could we merge please mods, I'm getting confused...

    check it out - one for the good guys - poisoned horn has found its way onto the market and one user has paid the price for supporting this disgusting 'industry'

    Brilliant I say.

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    sadly...

    it appears the report of the death of a 'user' was a hoax.

    http://www.citizen.co.za/index.php?o...news&Itemid=34

    Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    sadly...

    it appears the report of the death of a 'user' was a hoax.

    http://www.citizen.co.za/index.php?o...news&Itemid=34

    Pity.

    Aahhh &*^%........This does not help.

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    I will donate money to assist any farmer who protects the lives of his animals by poisoning the horn. This must be brought to an immediate HALT. In our modern world, how can any educated person still believe in such rubbish from the dark ages. How much does it cost for a helping of rhino horn - surely viagra is cheaper, easier to get hold of , tastes better and has the same desired effect ?
    My blood boils when I hear of incidents like this - poison all the horn - living or in stock - make it worldwide public knowledge and then only you are to blame. If talk doesn't get the desired result - actions speak volumes.
    When you have organised crime syndicates using helicopters to hunt, fighting individual battles doesn't work as you can't be omni present, but by poisoning the stock, it won't take long before the market collapses - no market, no poaching.
    Let's start a petition or something to protect the little wild life we have left and what better a place to start than by saving the rhino - suggestion please.

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    I would not be surprised if this kind of thing popped up and that this is a way to avoid any fingers being pointed.

    Ed Hern, owner of the Rhino and Lion Reserve in Krugersdorp made international world headlines recently with for his plan to lace his rhinos’ horns with cyanide.
    Hern confirmed he had heard rumours there had been a of the death in Bangkok.
    Hern added that following on legal advice, he had been persuaded not to use poison but to rather attempt to use a substance that would act as an irritant to the consumer.
    “An irritant is now being tested, the substance will make the consumer ill rather than killing them,” he said.
    Oops we put a bit too much "irritant"?

    Rhino poaching is big business, one horn can fetch as much as R 7 mil. quite a bit more than a farmer's salary in a year, this is more than the takings in any cash in transit heist and as an added bonus the rhino does not shoot back.

    Anti poaching has come a long way from rangers with an old 303 chasing a snare setting local, to the stage that helicopters are being used and automatic weapons are the order of the day. Nowdays rangers need sophisicated equipment as well as bullet proof vests just to survive

    SANParks Honorary Rangers are at present doing a nation wide anti poaching drive in order to equip the rangers to curb this scourge and I would like to invite every one who cares to get involved in this drive. I am running an on line auction in aid of this cause http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=93
    pop in and help put these freaks out of business any donation or bid on existing donations goes directly towards anti poaching, no admin fees or such nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbannink View Post
    Anti poaching has come a long way from rangers with an old 303 chasing a snare setting local, to the stage that helicopters are being used and automatic weapons are the order of the day. Nowdays rangers need sophisicated equipment as well as bullet proof vests just to survive
    which is why us armchair warriors should not be on the front line and should look to other ways to help, such as supporting the initiative below.

    SANParks Honorary Rangers are at present doing a nation wide anti poaching drive in order to equip the rangers to curb this scourge and I would like to invite every one who cares to get involved in this drive. I am running an on line auction in aid of this cause http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=93
    pop in and help put these freaks out of business any donation or bid on existing donations goes directly towards anti poaching, no admin fees or such nonsense.

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    Doug, I just have a serious problem in giving money to the government. It feels like paying a fine and I have done nothing wrong.

    But that is just my 2cw
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMA-ZING View Post
    I will donate money to assist any farmer who protects the lives of his animals by poisoning the horn. This must be brought to an immediate HALT. In our modern world, how can any educated person still believe in such rubbish from the dark ages. How much does it cost for a helping of rhino horn - surely viagra is cheaper, easier to get hold of , tastes better and has the same desired effect ?
    My blood boils when I hear of incidents like this - poison all the horn - living or in stock - make it worldwide public knowledge and then only you are to blame. If talk doesn't get the desired result - actions speak volumes.
    When you have organised crime syndicates using helicopters to hunt, fighting individual battles doesn't work as you can't be omni present, but by poisoning the stock, it won't take long before the market collapses - no market, no poaching.
    Let's start a petition or something to protect the little wild life we have left and what better a place to start than by saving the rhino - suggestion please.
    put me down for a donation for legal defence of any farmer who gets dragged into court for poisoning rhino horn too!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Doug, I just have a serious problem in giving money to the government. It feels like paying a fine and I have done nothing wrong.
    Henri, a lot of people feel that way and not just about the government but also other conservation bodies.

    Each to his own.

    This particular initiative is not going to put funds into a black hole, from what I can gather, specific items that are needed will be funded.


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    It is a small step, but at least some good news in fighting this.

    http://www.sagoodnews.co.za/crime/or..._poaching.html

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