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    Sorry Doug, took me a while to get to this thread.

    A couple of weeks back Doug, myself and about 50 others got to witness the saddest sight. Whilst driving through the Krugersdorp Game Reserve, we drove past a recently poached rhino (see the photos below). If this doesn't get your blood boiling, then I don't know what would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Disgusting that there are vets involved. somehow makes it worse.
    Another disturbing coincidence?
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    seems they got some more of the scum.

    innocent until proven guilty of course, but it seems they have the right people.

    Hopefully they know what to do to these guys in Musina.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...-held-20100921

    I imagine an African Jail is not quite as pleasant as an American one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonB View Post
    Another disturbing coincidence?

    just because he owns a Toyota doesn't mean he's a bad person

    Sure there are a LOT of Manie du Plessis in the phone book!!!!

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    http://www.outofafricasafari.com/


    "A Zimbabwean cabinet minister and well-known figure in conservation circles, David Coltart, had earlier described Out of Africa to Newsweek as a "cruel organisation which has no respect for the environment" and strives for "unreachable hunting quotas".

    Hunting experts in Zimbabwe allege that Out of Africa has strong links with politicians close to President Robert Mugabe.

    During the height of political instability in Zimbabwe, the organisation apparently organised hunting safaris on farms and land invaded by Zanu-PF's "war veterans"

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    ...and now they are out on bail - what a joke!!!

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    These guys were exposed to the US and the Zim authorities by John Sharp and that lead to their arrests in the US and being banned from Zim.

    John Sharp has been a PH for probably about 40yrs.
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    Well, everyone is entitled to bail after arrest. Until they are found guilty in a court of law, they are presumed innocent.

    AFAIK we still have a reasonable semblance of the rule of law in this country, we don't operate on the basis of kangaroo courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shirt View Post
    ..................AFAIK we still have a reasonable semblance of the rule of law in this country, ..........
    Then what about the 1% conviction rate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Then what about the 1% conviction rate?
    Statistics to back this up??
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    did they hand in their passports?
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    It was something on Carte Blanche.

    Missing Dockets
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    Etc...................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swys14 View Post
    did they hand in their passports?
    That doesn't count for anything.

    I can drive through the river now, into Zim, Bots or Moz and nobody will be none the wiser.

    Then buy a passport in Zim. By the time they try and trace me, I will be anywhere in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    It was something on Carte Blanche.
    I'm sorry, but that is not a valid source for statistics about the conviction rate for commercial crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shirt View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is not a valid source for statistics about the conviction rate for commercial crimes.
    Ok. Make it a conviction rate of 20% then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shirt View Post
    Statistics to back this up??
    You seem pretty certain that 1% isn't right, why not tell us what statistics you've seen that leads you to believe that is incorrect?

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    This thread appears to heading for extiction too!

    Keep it civil and stick to facts.


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    Guys you all seem to be missing the point. Killing 1 Rhino for meat is poaching. Killing 200 is organized crime. Do the math, what is a horn worth 10, 15, 20 , 50 thousand. We are talking about a network or people systematically destroying an animal species in a controlled manner for money not food.

    Next what happens if you or I decide to undermine the Governments economic and job creation policy. One could argue that it borders on treason. I am sure that the Northern Province has a budgeted income that they hope to receive from tourism. They in turn would argue that tourism creates jobs.

    Let me assure you that once all the Rhino are gone they will start on some other species. This is big money. All because some Chinese with a small weenie believes that by using bones and horn they can perform better.

    These cases have nothing to do with poaching and I hope the government is looking closely at these laws.

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    I read the reports on the arrests in the Sunday papers, and was once again greatly disappointed in the bad quality of our journalism in this country. I really struggled to make sense out of what they were saying, but here is my summation of what I unravelled:

    It seems this crowd was not arrested for "POACHING" Rhino, rather what they were doing was to "legally" buy rhino, and then immediately obtain a "legal" permit to kill that animal (basically you can get a lot more from the products of the Rhino, than what you pay for a live Rhino).

    If you look at the charges levelled at them, they appear to be arcane transgressions of various "nature conservation" laws (i.e. basically the case against them drops down to the level of being charged with canned hunting).

    I have absolutely no doubt that these people were also involved in the poaching, but it seems the police haven't charged them with this, meaning that they haven't found sufficient evidence for a case (my conviction that they were involved stems from the logical conclusion of the practice in which they were involved. You buy a "cheap" rhino (one that doesn't have a horn (sawed off, or young animal), get a license to "kill" the animal, which suddenly overnight had grown a massive horn (i.e. the stolen horn is now processed under the license to kill the "cheap" rhino)).

    It's like "seeding" a diamond claim with blood diamonds bought in Angola, in order to try and get them to be "legal".

    I predict that the prosecution are going to have a tough time getting convictions here.

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