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    I went to Atlantis Dunes yesterday and my TD5 is just not up to the job, for all the reasons we have discussed many times before!! I was thinking Discovery 1 or 2 V8 Auto? What is a manual V8 defender like on the sand? What say you?
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    saw many a Td5 at Atlantis holding its own! is urs 100% healthy. but the v8 will rock in sand. drove in a 2.8 defender and it did very well.
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    V8 is infinitely better than diesel. 2.8 BMW motor also very capable.

    I like traction control, which puts my vote in the D2 camp, but lockers are better than traction control so a D1 or Defender with lockers is the biz.

    For approach angle neither Disco is great, for departure you want a D1. Neither end of a Disco is anything like a 90 though.

    I also like auto boxes, but the V8 with autobox in the dunes isn't perfect. With a TD5 you tend to just floor it from the beginning of the runup well into the climb so it will hold the low gears. With a V8 you build the speed then ease off a little before the dune and she gears up. Then you hit the dune and nail it and it gears down again to the gear you wanted. This means I need to choose my gear for big dunes rather than leave it in D.

    You're welcome to come try out my D2 one day. Or the Defender, once it's going again and has bigger rubber on.
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    I drove the Loch Maree sand dunes in my defender V8 and again in my Disco TD5.
    I found the defender V8 sailed over the sand with no effort at low revs.

    The TD5 was a totally different experience. I needed to keep it in the power band to make any progress. It was as if I was racing over the dunes instead of ambling over them as I did with the defender.
    I also found in the TD5 auto that the traction control gripped the brakes if I was going to slowly and I just bogged down.

    The TD5 did have aircon which the defender didn't. That helps in the desert.

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    A friend of mine has a manual V8 Defender (the old 3.5 litre twin carb one). He still runs old Super All Grip tyres and does very well. I think with big muds on it will be really good. You shouldn't be afraid to use lots of petrol though.
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    The 2.8 Defender 90 would be king in sand out of all the defenders. Then the D2 V8's are also excellent in spite of their weight. With mods they are among the best.

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    Best Landy in the sand is probably a petrol Freelander 2 due it's power and lower weight. Evoque is probably not bad either... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterV View Post
    Best Landy in the sand is probably a petrol Freelander 2 due it's power and lower weight. Evoque is probably not bad either... :-)
    On dunes those will loose a lot of plastic very fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJ Junkie View Post
    The 2.8 Defender 90 would be king in sand out of all the defenders.
    IMO probably the best landy around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCR View Post
    On dunes those will loose a lot of plastic very fast.
    And it will go even better as it happens...
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    I have a 2.8i engine, but the problem is that it has a 5 series BMW wraped around it and not a defender!! With the TD5, you have to take a long run up and have to give it hell for leather while listening to the turbo whine. The V8 Landys just idle up almost.

    The Td5 is SWAMBO's car, so I can't mess with that, if I value my life. I am after a dune toy so my options are older defender, Range Rover Classic or maybe D1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waz View Post
    I drove the Loch Maree sand dunes in my defender V8 and again in my Disco TD5.
    I found the defender V8 sailed over the sand with no effort at low revs.

    The TD5 was a totally different experience. I needed to keep it in the power band to make any progress. It was as if I was racing over the dunes instead of ambling over them as I did with the defender.
    I also found in the TD5 auto that the traction control gripped the brakes if I was going to slowly and I just bogged down.

    The TD5 did have aircon which the defender didn't. That helps in the desert.
    Sorry, but no.
    I've had a D2 TD5 and now have a V8. Traction control just doesn't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterV View Post
    Best Landy in the sand is probably a petrol Freelander 2 due it's power and lower weight. Evoque is probably not bad either... :-)
    It doesn't have low range though. Which is needed for anything challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJ Junkie View Post
    It doesn't have low range though. Which is needed for anything challenging.
    Don't think a Freelander needs low range in sand - it's only 1800 kg with 171 kw for the i6. Then some guys in the UK lifts them as well...
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    don't underestimate the evoque, i saw that thing in action, its clearance not that bad either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Hard View Post
    don't underestimate the evoque, i saw that thing in action, its clearance not that bad either.
    Article in the September LRO of an (rally) Evoque with a 100mm lift!
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    i have a 110 v8 with a disco 1 3.9 high compression motor with a few tweaks, still running the 2 carbs. and 265 BF all terrain's . right gear and nothing stops you. daily driver is a 90 tdi pick up and must say getting up and sand or pulling away in sand nothing beats the V8 even the 90 lacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterV View Post
    Don't think a Freelander needs low range in sand - it's only 1800 kg with 171 kw for the i6. Then some guys in the UK lifts them as well...
    it needs low range if it's going to do anything remotely impressive

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    Unless you remove the low profiles off the freelander I promise you it won't be good in heavy stuff. Might be OK for charging dunes if you have the power you claim. I just remember a trip where one vehicle was FL1 and even the two wheel drive bakkies outperformed it. After a while the owner let so much air out of the tyres (trying to get some performance) he debeaded two of them!

    Oh, and this was not even serious stuff, it was just a bit of sand toward Lake Sibaya! The 4x4 bakkies didn't even know they were trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PieterV View Post
    Don't think a Freelander needs low range in sand - it's only 1800 kg with 171 kw for the i6. Then some guys in the UK lifts them as well...
    When you get stuck in the slower more technical stuff without low range you will be needing a good contact for clutches....
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