Platkar questions

[FDVisser]

That happens to everyone with a German car? I'm gonna stay away from Alexandria then.

Not all of them, but if you look at the stats "more" of them, my wife included, you better stay away from Diepsloot as well then.

[FDVisser]

Your a financial guy, why can one buy the 118i in your link, for R146K with 53000km on, how much was it new?

[PenthouseNinja]

Your a financial guy, why can one buy the 118i in your link, for R146K with 53000km on, how much was it new?

I have no idea, I didn't buy one new in 2006 and 2007. But as I recall, cars with bad resale make good second hand purchases. And considering these 2 have warranties for the next 2 years, I fail to see the downside.

[FDVisser]

I have no idea, I didn't buy one new in 2006 and 2007. But as I recall, cars with bad resale make good second hand purchases. And considering these 2 have warranties for the next 2 years, I fail to see the downside.

The downside is in the previous posts, but I agree with you in a way, my mind is thinking like a family man these days, if I were single I would have bought the BMW

[PenthouseNinja]

Incidently, I had a quick look. The 2 cars in question came in at around R270k in 2006/2007. Audi was a little less than the BMW, not much though.

At the same time the 2007 Hilux 2.5 D-4D DC 4x4 was R290k.
http://www.um.co.za/specifications/t...282007%29.aspx
It now goes for something in this area: R170k
http://easterncape.gumtree.co.za/c-C...AdIdZ402560259

Granted this one has 200k on the clock. But the German cars really aren't depreciating much worse than the vehicle that holds its value the very best in the SA market.

[PenthouseNinja]

2007 HONDA CIVIC 1.8 i-VTEC EXi 5-DOOR : R240k
http://www.um.co.za/specifications/h...282006%29.aspx

Now: R120k
http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree....AdIdZ404823846

It has dropped half its value (50% depreciation) in the same time period that the German ones dropped 44% (Hilux was 41%). So that's your retail and unreliability opinions going up in a bit of smoke I'm afraid.

[FDVisser]

So you make your calculations on cars with a difference in milage of 50000km, and we all know a cars value dives past 100k, plus the BMW still got a two year warrantee? My situation maybe different than yours, we live on a farm outside Brits, my wife goes to town everyday, and to Pretoria and Jhb sometimes, JHB 300 km round trip, if something happens I don't want to wonder if I should have bought something for her that was renowned for reliability, to you it might sound stupid, but that's how I feel about it.

[PenthouseNinja]

So you make your calculations on cars with a difference in milage of 50000km, and we all know a cars value dives past 100k, plus the BMW still got a two year warrantee? My situation maybe different than yours, we live on a farm outside Brits, my wife goes to town everyday, and to Pretoria and Jhb sometimes, JHB 300 km round trip, if something happens I don't want to wonder if I should have bought something for her that was renowned for reliability, to you it might sound stupid, but that's how I feel about it.

I admit, unfortunate that I couldnt find vehicles with similar mileage to give a true comparison.

So which vehicles are renowned for reliability?

[FDVisser]

See you need a little help with a spoon, go look up warranty claim surveys, that will give you an idea.

[FDVisser]

Let's make this practical, my wife owned a Polo with 103k on, parts replaced: alternator 7K, left her stranded next to Diepsloot, light switch 1.2K, cooling fan 2K, CD shuttle, sold not fixed, wipers R400, cam belt replaced 7K
Honda CR-V, kilos 140K, parts replaced, headlight bulb, price R10.99 from a local spares shop., timing chain, will replace at 300k

[PenthouseNinja]

See you need a little help with a spoon, go look up warranty claim surveys, that will give you an idea.

I'm not trying to be funny, I am genuinely interested. Where do you check warranty claims?

[FDVisser]

I googled, found this from "CAT", sorry can't paste a link " The warranty specialists have compiled a list of
the top ten car brands with the fewest warranty
claims, with Honda coming out on top.
In fact, Japanese brands have done very well in
the survey, with Lexus, Mitsubishi and Toyota
falling just behind Honda at the top of the list.
It comes as no surprise that the majority of the
top ten brands are Japanese and Korean"

[PenthouseNinja]

I googled, found this from "CAT", sorry can't paste a link " The warranty specialists have compiled a list of
the top ten car brands with the fewest warranty
claims, with Honda coming out on top.
In fact, Japanese brands have done very well in
the survey, with Lexus, Mitsubishi and Toyota
falling just behind Honda at the top of the list.
It comes as no surprise that the majority of the
top ten brands are Japanese and Korean"

Hows that? I would really have expected German cars to be better than them in build quality and reliability.

[PenthouseNinja]

I found this article written in 2007 by an Aussie site. Interesting stuff:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/1436/top...liable-brands/

[XJ Junkie]

But the German cars really aren't depreciating much worse than the vehicle that holds its value the very best in the SA market.

Is this including the Passat?

I see Honda was mentioned, I had 2 Honda's & they didn't know how to break. The Passat I had cost more in parts than the BMWs I had

[PenthouseNinja]

Well here is a 2012 article from the UK:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18973775
1) Honda
2) Toyota
3) Lexus
4) Suzuki
5) Subaru
6) Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi

Hectic. I've come from 3 generations of German car drivers. My dad has had a Golf 3 and 3 Audi's now (I think he had Fords before that Saphire, Sierra, etc), I've had 2 Citi Golfs, my brother has had a Citi and an Audi now. My mom has had 3 Kombi's and now a Polo, and my grandfather drove the same 1986 Mercedes for almost as long as I was alive, he bought my gran a Polo as well.

So yeah, I was a bit biased but we have always had amazing track records with these vehicles.

[FDVisser]

26 July 2012
Honda 1st
Last year's position 1/35
Cars needing repair work 10%
Average repair cost £361
Best model HR-V ('98-'06)
Worst model Accord ('02-08)
For the seventh consecutive year, Honda tops the
reliability charts. All its models score under 48 on
the RI. The number of Hondas needing work has
risen 1% since 2011, but the manufacturer is still
7% clear of second-placed Toyota.
Average costs are higher than some, but you'll
find fail rates of no more than 14% across all its
models, making Honda the most dependable
manufacturer in the 2012 Warranty Direct
Reliability Survey.
Toyota 2nd
Last year's position 2/35
Cars needing repair work 17%
Average repair cost £385
Best model Aygo ('05-)
Worst model Previa ('00-06)
Nine top-10 finishes, an average repair cost of
£385 and just 17% of cars needing work mean
Toyota takes a well deserved second place.
The Corolla ('01-'07), Auris ('07-) and Prius
('03-'09) all feature in the small family category
top 10. The Aygo is Toyota's most reliable model,
going wrong just 9% of the time. Ten models
received an RI score of less than 100 this year.
Lexus 3rd
Last year's position 3/35
Cars needing repair work 18%
Average repair cost £433
Best model IS ('05-)
Worst model GS ('97-'05)
As a manufacturer of more expensive luxury cars,
Lexus's average high repair cost of £433 isn't
really a surprise.
You won't have to fork out often, though,
because its cars fail just 18% of the time. The
best model, the IS ('05-), beats that, failing just
11% of the time and putting it second in the
executive category top 10.
Suzuki 4th
Last year's position 3/35
Cars needing repair work 19%
Average repair cost £265
Best model Alto ('97-'06)
Worst model SX4 ('09-)
Suzuki loses the joint third place it shared with
Lexus last year, but still records a very strong
fourth.
Its Alto ('97-'06) has an excellent RI score of 8,
and the little city car fails only 10% of the time. No
Suzuki exceeds a 31% fail rate, and the marque
has the fewest cooling and heating problems in
the survey.
Subaru 5th
Last year's position 7/35
Cars needing repair work 20%
Average repair cost £337
Best model Legacy ('03-)
Worst model Forester ('02-'08)
Moving up two places, Subaru has two of its
models in the category top 10s, with the Legacy
('03-) taking first place in the family car sector. It
fails just 15% of the time and has a fine RI score
of 40.
Subarus suffer more axle and suspension
problems than any other manufacturer.
Hyundai 6th=
Last year's position 8/35
Cars needing repair work 21%
Average repair cost £325
Best model Coupe ('02-'07)
Worst model Santa Fe ('01-'06)
Hyundai can be proud to jump up from eighth to
sixth. Brakes are an issue across all models -
more than any other manufacturer, in fact - but
the failure rate of just 21% and average repair
cost of £325 make Hyundai ownership relatively
painless.
The Coupé ('02-'07) is best, with an RI score of
22 and a 17% fail rate.
Mazda 6th=
Last year's position 6/35
Cars needing repair work 21%
Average repair cost £435
Best model MX-5 ('05-)
Worst model RX-8 ('03-)
Two generations of MX-5 ('05-) and ('98-'05) lock
out the open-top sector.
The '05- MX-5 in particular has excellent figures,
including an RI score of 8 and a failure rate of
just 4%. Mazda's rotary-engined RX-8 is different;
average repairs can reach £557, with a 36% fail
rate.
Mitsubishi 6th=
Last year's position 3/35
Cars needing repair work 21%
Average repair cost £424
Best model Space Star ('98-'06)
Worst model Shogun Sport ('00-'08)
Mitsubishi has kept its sixth position. The Space
Star ('98-'06) is still the best model, proving that
age doesn't have to mean cost.
No Mitsubishi exceeds a 27% fail ra

[PenthouseNinja]

1. Land Rover
Likelihood of a breakdown in 12 months: 71%
The scale of Land Rover's dubious victory here is staggering. The brand's cars have a 71% chance of breaking down in any single year, 16% worse than the 'next worst', and the cost of repairing it is an eye watering £300.



This came out of an article for the LEAST reliable vehicle. You have to laugh a little.

[FDVisser]

Sjuut about the Landy's, hoped no one will see :-)The "X" factor is important for any young man, and the Japanese cars are boring, but in these times I put safety ( the best that I can afford) first for my family, that's my opinion. PHN I owned a couple of VW's myself and had no problems, think the problems started from 2003, with the new generation VW's, spares became expensive from then on aswell.

[PenthouseNinja]

Hmmm, nice Lexus:
http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree....AdIdZ407752278

Nice Honda Civics:
http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree....AdIdZ399697911
http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-V...AdIdZ406787481

And my personal favourites, the Subaru's:
http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-V...AdIdZ397535864
http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-...AdIdZ406461403