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    Hey!

    We are now back from Zambia. I will try to post a report as soon as I can, but my first impression is that Zambia is a really lovely country with very nice and helpful people.

    Except of one policewoman and her colleagues just south of Lusaka.

    I was driving the same speed than all other vehicles as it was becoming a bit congested.
    She stopped me saying "you know you were speeding?".
    Me: "How are you, I'm sorry, etc… What was the limit?"
    - "80 km/h"
    - "But I was about 60 km/h max!"
    - "You were 65. Speeding. The limit is 60"
    - "But you said 80"
    - "Who said 80? it's 60! Get the money from inside your car: 180 000 kwacha"

    I take the money, give it to her and ask for a receipt…
    - "Why a receipt?" she says
    - "For my records, I need a receipt, please, please, thanks, thanks, etc…"

    She asks for my driving license and starts writting…
    2 words later:
    - "Don't you need this money?"
    - "Of course I do…"
    - "I can give you some money back"
    - "Why There are 2 options:
    1/ I was speeding, I pay the fine, you give me a receipt.
    2/ I was not speeding, you give me my money back and that's it!
    So what?"
    She starts then to irritate, throw me 80 000 kwacha with no receipt at all shouting "Go, go, GO, GO NOW!"

    Her 3 colleagues were looking at the scene saying nothing.

    If you meet this big policewoman (can I post her name there?), take care!

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Pierre77N; 2012/08/07 at 04:38 PM.
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    Well, that sounds like Africa......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    Well, that sounds like Africa......
    Highly unusual for Zambia. Sounds like Joburg.

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    Every time I have been harassed by officialdom or scheming locals in African countries I give the "Whaaat....., don't think I'm European or American. I'm African and don't fall for your tricks" sort of approach. It has always worked out in my favour and often results in them getting laughed at by onlookers. Some have seen the lighter side and they themselves have laughed it off.

    Chancers are similar to bullies. They only try their luck when they think they can get away with it.
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    Very true.

    I tend to do the same. Zim is famous for this kind of behaviour.
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    Hard for me to make they believe I'm African with my French registered car!

    But I'd like to be…
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    You did it wrong , That is where I take out my knive and rob her , I am from JHB I dont take abuse I hand it out , v

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    How much is 180000 Kwatchas?
    No one ever ruined their eyesight by looking at the BRIGHT side!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by frans reichert View Post
    how much is 180000 kwatchas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    r300
    Now that blows my mind!!! She is willing to give her country, Africa & herself a bad name for R300!!

    What is wrong with these people? Her greed, is costing the continent millions in income from travelers that are scared for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans Reichert View Post
    Now that blows my mind!!! She is willing to give her country, Africa & herself a bad name for R300!!

    What is wrong with these people? Her greed, is costing the continent millions in income from travelers that are scared for this.

    Aaaarg you asking for common sense to be aplied , That is somthing that came here on ships

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie1800 View Post
    Aaaarg you asking for common sense to be aplied , That is somthing that came here on ships


    So bloody true......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie1800 View Post
    Aaaarg you asking for common sense to be aplied , That is somthing that came here on ships
    good one!!
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    Post her name and as much info on her as possible. You would be amazed at how small the world is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A3AN View Post
    Post her name and as much info on her as possible. You would be amazed at how small the world is!
    I understand the situation in Moz have change completely since the tourist have started reporting.
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    I think Moz is getting better. I received a fine there a month or so ago but I was speeding, so I paid it got my receipt, and left on my merry way.

    Report corruption, and provide all available info here on the forum. We have some people on here that "knows people".

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    Sorry for your experience Pierre - it's not nice.

    You are an obvious target in a foreign reg 4x4 (we have had the same experience). If it's a fair challenge we pay up. The vast majority of times it is an obvious try on and we have a few approaches that have worked for us over the years.

    1) Act dumb. Pretend you can't speak English (let alone any local language). Babble away in another (made up if necessary) language they are unlikely to understand. Smile and nod a lot. Eventually they usually give up.

    2) Cry - believe it or not this has actually worked for me (BTW I am a female not a big tough afrikaner...). The policeman was mortified and couldn't get rid of me fast enough.

    3) Have a visible sticker on the dash titled *ANTI CORRUPTION NUMBER + 276 100 200 300*. Most countries actually have a real number you can ring in which case find it and display it - if not make sure it looks like a local number. Tell the policeman your embassy/travel agent/friend told you you must call the number if you are stopped by the police and you don't understand why.

    4) Insist on a receipt and f necessary insist on being taken to the station to get it (NB this doesn't work so well in Nigeria where friends of mine ended up being detained...). However it will usually put off a chancer.

    5) Enlist the help of other road users. If someone is trying to pull a scam they won't like witnesses.

    We have probably been stopped 30 odd times over two + years continual traveling in southern/eastern africa. We have never paid an unjustified fine (though I did once give a Panadol and an antiseptic wipe to a policeman who claimed we'd hit him and he needed to go to a private hospital - he had in fact banged his hand deliberately on the bull bar of our stationary vehicle).

    Whilst we were traveling we felt quite strongly that to hand anything over would only make the problem worse but I understand why visitors, especially if they haven't encountered this kind of thing before, end up doing so.

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    Hi Lisa,

    Thanks for your feedback!

    1/ I tried a bit in French. No efficiency.

    2/ I can't imagine what would have happened if I'd started crying! I'm not a "big tough afrikaner", but a not so thin French guy… Funny idea.

    3/ Good advice!

    4/ Alone I could have tried, but with Sabine and kids tired by a long road… Actually I think that I shoudn't have paid before she wrote the whole receipt. But for an European, it's unusual at first not to obey to a policeman…

    5/ Not so easy. Nobody stopped apart another "client" who curiously was a white guy as well.

    I've found out the address of the anti corruption commission in Zambia (http://www.acc.gov.zm/?page_id=117) and will drop them an email. Officer's name was Phiri and this happened last Saturday around noon in the south suburb of Lusaka on road T2 from Kafue.

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    "But for an European, it's unusual at first not to obey to a policeman…"

    Absolutely. Which is why we find it so difficult to handle.

    And having a family in the car to consider will of course dictate your behavior.

    Well done for reporting it. I hope others follow your example.

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    What is REALLY funny is that it actually is 80km/h that section. She was really trying her luck! Even us locals have been caught there.

    The contact details for the Anti Corruption Commission in Zambia is below so perhaps send them her pic and explain what happened. Anyone else tried this before? We have found them quite proactive. A lot can be said about the new president but he is on a mission to stamp out corruption so perhaps we can all help. I will start a new thread with these details.

    Lusaka Office

    Anti-Corruption House
    Cha Cha Cha Road
    Southend
    P.O Box 50486
    Lusaka

    Tel: (0211) 237914 / 237916 / 234222 / 234244 / 234238 / 231362 / 231656 / 234214 / 231627 / 234240 / 232875 / 234250 / 232875

    Fax: (0211) 237828 / 237797 / 237842

    E-mail: [email protected]

    Website: www.acc.gov.zm

    Toll Free: 980 (Zamtel, 5 980 (MTN & Airtel)

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