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    Default Colt upper ball joint flip

    Hi Guys,

    I have ordered new upper and lower OEM ball joints for my Colt. I have decided that while changing them that I will be doing the much speculated upper ball joint flip. This is very popular oversees on the Colts and the local Izuzu guys. I will decide after the flip if I will be fitting spacers or not.

    I have recently fitted 50mm extended shackles and Load Hog's to my Colt and now the back is riding much higher than the front. The torsion bars are already cranked up. I am not looking for much lift in front, I just want to even things out a bit and get the camber settings acceptable. The back end is now at the hight that I want my Colt to be at, just right.

    The ball joints will be here sometime next week were after I will post my results.


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    looking forward to your posts
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    i'll be keeping an eye on this fred!

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    Hi
    Ek het die "ball joint flip" op my Colt gedoen - seker al 'n jaar terug en ondervind geen probleem nie. Alhoewel dit nie jou voertuig oplig nie gee dit jou meer afwaarse beweging "down travel" indien jy dit oplig met die wringstawe. Ek moes net 'n paar spacers insit om die "camber" reg te kry.

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    Sal ook 'n ogie op die thread hou Dankie
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    Quote Originally Posted by GPB View Post
    Hi
    Ek het die "ball joint flip" op my Colt gedoen - seker al 'n jaar terug en ondervind geen probleem nie. Alhoewel dit nie jou voertuig oplig nie gee dit jou meer afwaarse beweging "down travel" indien jy dit oplig met die wringstawe. Ek moes net 'n paar spacers insit om die "camber" reg te kry.
    So hoekom gee jy dit 'n "thumbs down" icon op jou post?
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    Hoe doen 'n mens die 'flip'?

    Sit jy net die balljoint onderste bo in?

    Enige iemand met pics?

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    hehe, nee dit sallie werkie!

    jy bout die boonste ball-joint aan die onderkant van die boonste control arm vas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaalkoejawel View Post
    hehe, nee dit sallie werkie!

    jy bout die boonste ball-joint aan die onderkant van die boonste control arm vas.

    Ok so ek draai nie die ball joint om nie, hy gaan net aan die onderkant in pleke van bo af?

    Het iemand dalk 'n pic of twee?

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    Hi,

    Sover het ek nog net die lower ball joints ontvang en wag nog vir die uppers om te kom. Sal die ball joint flip doen Maandag 28 mei.

    Ja, daar is nie veel lift met die flip nie, maar dit laat jou toe om die torsion bars te re-spline en nog so bietjie op te draai want jou bump stop is nou verder weg vanaf jou control arm. Dit is die informasie wat ek vanaf my Izuzu vriend gekry het, alhoewel hy weet van iemand wat wel lift gekry het met net die ball joint flip te doen en torsion bars so bietjie af te stel. Ek wil sien of die Camils dalk enige invloed gaan he op die moontlikheid en aantal lift as ek die flip doen ivm die ander wat normale shocks het. Onthou, die coil-overs stoot baie op.

    Ek het 'n paar foto's aangelas van hoe dit gedoen word, ek het dit op die internet gekry. Die mees belangrikste ding om te onthou wanneer jy hierdie ball joint flip beoog om te doen is om al die boude met high tensile boude te vervang van minimum Graad 9. Ek gaan Graad 10 boude gebruike, die sterkste is Graad 12.


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    Dankie Numbnut!

    btw, jy moet jou driveway vee vir n slag!

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    Afrikaans not popular,translate it to EN.

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    The pics I found on the Internet while doing my research, so it is not my driveway that is so dirty.

    So far everything is going to plan to do the flip on Monday morning so expect some feedback from me on Tuesday. I will not be doing it myself but at our local Supa Quick with the guys who have all the knowledge and know how when it comes to suspension and so fourth.

    I will keep everything english from here on out


    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distazo View Post
    Afrikaans not popular,translate it to EN.
    Afrikaans very popular!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaalkoejawel View Post
    Afrikaans very popular!

    Lekker hardekwas ne!!
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    So I completed the upper ball joint flip today and all went according to plan. Both bottom and upper ball joints where replaced with OEM parts and I also replaced the old bolts. For the upper ball joint I got new high tensile grade 12.9 allen cap bolts with new spring washers and new lock nuts. I also replaced the lower ball joint bolts with high tensile grade 10.9 bolts with new spring washers and new lock nuts.

    While everything was going to be removed I also had the torsion bars re-splined by 3 splines.

    The flip is very easy to do and there where no complications. I can however inform everyone to not expect a lot of lift by doing this on the Colt's. We measured about 8mm lift upfront in other words I will have to make spacers. I still have the old upper ball joints and will use them to make the spacers of about 25mm. In the end we managed to lift the front by 10mm a side and still maintain the same gap distance between the upper control arm and bump stop than before we started. She now measures 360mm from top of rim to start of wheel arch.

    I will give feedback on the spacers as they are made and installed.


    Thx
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    Thanks for all the details Numbnut. I've got hold of new upper balljoints and grade 12 nuts and bolts, planning to do the same. A point on the spacers (based entirely on reading - quite a bit on the Isuzu section -, no personal experience) is not go too big, as the angle of CVs and other joints increases, and can cause more wear, binding, CVs pulling out, etc.

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    @rvanhuys - I will only go max 25mm on the spacers and keep a close eye on the cv and drive shaft angles, I am aware of this but thank you for mentioning it anyway. I will control the angles by means of my torsion bars. The plan is to insert the spacers and take the lift up to the same level where I am at now with the torsion bars, distance from top of wheel rim to wheel arch +-360mm, and see where the cv/drive shaft angles are at. Theoretically I should then have 25mm extra clearance between my upper bump stop and upper control arm which will give me more downward travel. Depending on the cv/drive shaft angles I want to take the nose about 20mm higher and ending up with a wheel rim to wheel arch distance of +-380mm.

    Will have to wait and see how it all plays out.


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    I finally got some feedback on the spacers!I got word yesterday from the engineering shop I sent my old upper balljoint to so that they can make the 25mm spacers for me. They said that they will be done sometime next week. The reason for the long wait was that my two small spacers are not a high priority for them with all the other million rand projects they got going on but are willing to help me out.As I understand it, the spacers will be precision machine cut from 25mm steel on a CNC machine and then electroplated to protect against rust. They said they will make it so that they fit the ball joint like a glove as to prevent any unwanted movement.I am getting really excited now and can not wait to get them. I will post a new thread on the installation.If there are any members interested in a set, please send me a PM? The engineering shop told me that if they get bigger orders they will give priority to them and then we are looking at a turn around time of about 10 - 14 days. This is for the OEM upper balljoint on a 2003 Colt 4x4. I do not know what year models and if the Pajero's use the same one, but i will try and get this information.Thx

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