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    To the forum camera experts. A bit of advice please.

    My wife currently has a Pentax DSLR camera and wants a macro lense for it. However, the Pentax is a bit outdated and limited and it is possibly a better idea to invest in a new and better camera. She prefers the Canon - because all her friends and her camera expert uses one.

    We normally use the camera for holiday pics, wildlife, landscapes, portraits and macro purposes.

    Now the questions:

    1. Which Canon? The 50 D seems to be the preferred choice. But then there is also the 1100D, the 550D and the 600D, etc....

    2. We are looking at the following lenses:

    a) Macro - mostly for flowers, insects, etc.
    b) Wide angle - landscapes
    c) Basic lense - for normal use, sport, portraits, etc.
    d) Zoom lense - up to 500mm - Sigma will also suffice - wildlife

    3. Best place to buy?

    I am no expert in this field, so you will BS me easily. I am therefore trusting your input.

    Thanks in advance
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    50D is the perfect choice for what you want.
    Rather go XXD and XXXD, the less the X the better the body!
    However I am not sure that 50D's are still available new? You might have to go for the newer 60D.

    For zoom up to 500 I would go Sigma 50-500, or Canon 100-400. (Canon preferred).
    Macro, lots of choices starting with the Canon 100 f2.8 Macro
    Basic lens? Budget? The best choice is the Canon 24-105 L f4.
    Wide Angle, not that familiar, the Canon 10-22 comes to mind.
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    Your choices are only limited by your budget. You can spend anything from R10 000 for the kit you need to well over R100 000....
    So you need to give a bit more information on what you intend to spend.

    Buy from the professionals: http://www.ormsdirect.co.za/ or www.Outdoorphoto.co.za

    Read up more on your options on : www.kenrockwell.com

    I prefer Nikon for Price an Service but the Nikon / Canon debate is similar to the Fortuner / Amarok debate ! Both excellent options...even the Pentax !
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    My dad is a retired wildlife photographer, and he swears by Nikon. Very robust, swambo's nikon recently fell into a bit of a running river, took it out, removed battery etc and left it to dry for two days, all that happened was the dust got washed off.
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    Alex, what's all this XXX rated stuff.

    Best is to set your budget. Then you have choices in that bracket.

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    50/60D or if your budget allows, 7D... but, also look at the Nikon D7000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    50D is the perfect choice for what you want.
    Rather go XXD and XXXD, the less the X the better the body!
    However I am not sure that 50D's are still available new? You might have to go for the newer 60D.

    For zoom up to 500 I would go Sigma 50-500, or Canon 100-400. (Canon preferred).
    Macro, lots of choices starting with the Canon 100 f2.8 Macro
    Basic lens? Budget? The best choice is the Canon 24-105 L f4.
    Wide Angle, not that familiar, the Canon 10-22 comes to mind.
    Dirk,

    I can get a 50D with a supposedly brilliant lense second hand for R 7 500,00. But ... I do not like buying electronic equipment second-hand (OK, my D3 may be classed as an electronic device, but it is still a car).

    The lense choices you mentioned are as recommended by a local chap.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes.G View Post
    Your choices are only limited by your budget. You can spend anything from R10 000 for the kit you need to well over R100 000....
    So you need to give a bit more information on what you intend to spend.

    Buy from the professionals: www.orms.co.za or www.Outdoorphoto.co.za

    Read up more on your options on : www.kenrockwell.com

    I prefer Nikon for Price an Service but the Nikon / Canon debate is similar to the Fortuner / Amarok debate ! Both excellent options...even the Pentax !
    Johannes,

    Thanks. Max. budget of R 30 000,00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AboutAfrica View Post
    My dad is a retired wildlife photographer, and he swears by Nikon. Very robust, swambo's nikon recently fell into a bit of a running river, took it out, removed battery etc and left it to dry for two days, all that happened was the dust got washed off.
    Mmmm. The local expert around the corner from me also swears by it and uses it himself. He has been trying to change my mind to have a look at the Nikon.
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    I shoot pentax (k100d) and still love it - compare the pentax k5 to any of the nikons and canon dslr's
    the 100mm macro is on my whish list i curently have the 50mm macro but i need to get very close the bugs whixh can be a problem.
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    Jean Nikon/Canon/Pentax.

    For me it is about the availability of kits afterwards, there Canon wins hands down.

    But they are all good bodies.

    Are you buying lenses new? If not have a look at Outdoor Photo classifieds.

    For example:
    Sigma 50-500 expect to pay about R9-R13k depending on the model.
    Canon 100-400 expect to pay about R12k
    Canon 24-105 you can easily get for R8k
    Canon 50D body about R6k
    Canon 10-22 about R6k

    So maybe go and get a new 60D body, and source the lenses afterwards, if you look carefully, and only buy from active users on Outdoorphoto you cannot go wrong, I have not yet bought a single new lens, all mine are from ODP classifieds.

    I cannot comment on the Nikon bodies and lenses do not know which ones.

    Personally I would not go the Pentax route, stick with one of the main ones.

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    you should have a look at
    http://www.outdoorphoto.co.za/classifieds/
    for used. It isn't as bad as you'd think to buy used.
    Else buy a new body and used lenses.
    Like with all used purchases, check the sellers background.

    New prices for a Macro, WA and telephoto lens would already be close to or over R20k, depending on what you want.

    You'd also be looking at a tripod, filters(ND, polariser. which I'd rather buy new) and shutter release cable for landscape and macro, to use with the WA.

    For portrait you could go with the cheaper 50mmf1.8, or the pricier 50mm1.4, or the 85mm1.4.

    The Sigma 10-20mm is priced well and might be fine for recreational use.

    Are you going with a dedicated macro lens or one with macro capabilities?
    You'd need a very sturdy tripod for macro, especially if going with a 100mm option. You might also need proper lighting for that. The 50-65mm macro is easier to work with.
    You could also get extention tubes to use with your 50mm or 85mm you will have for portraits. If this still doesn't suffice for your macro needs, you could look at a dedicated macro lens.

    For wildlife - Depends how pro you want your pics to look. That depends on your budget for the telephoto lens. The lower the f-stop, the better pics, the pricier it's going to be.
    You might also need a 'mounting point' on the window sill or such to eliminate shake when used for wildlife.

    I'm not clued up on the Canon brand, but with Nikon I'd go for a D7000. It's recent and plenty enough for another few years. The best in the recreational range.

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    See you want to photograph flowers.I prefer my Nikon 18 - 200 Very versatile lens.can get it in Sigma and Tamron for a lot cheaper.Look at threat for photographing the moon,I misplaced some flower photos there.Also have a 105mm micro lens but rarely use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    Jean Nikon/Canon/Pentax.

    For me it is about the availability of kits afterwards, there Canon wins hands down.

    But they are all good bodies.

    Are you buying lenses new? If not have a look at Outdoor Photo classifieds.

    For example:
    Sigma 50-500 expect to pay about R9-R13k depending on the model.
    Canon 100-400 expect to pay about R12k
    Canon 24-105 you can easily get for R8k
    Canon 50D body about R6k
    Canon 10-22 about R6k

    So maybe go and get a new 60D body, and source the lenses afterwards, if you look carefully, and only buy from active users on Outdoorphoto you cannot go wrong, I have not yet bought a single new lens, all mine are from ODP classifieds.

    I cannot comment on the Nikon bodies and lenses do not know which ones.

    Personally I would not go the Pentax route, stick with one of the main ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    Basic lens? Budget? The best choice is the Canon 24-105 L f4.
    Instead of the 24-105, also consider the 15-85 (not the 17-85). The 24-105 is not wide enough on a crop body, and you might not always have a wide angle lens with you.

    Let swambo handle the cameras, the 50/60D might be too big for her, she might prever the 550D.

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    I swear at Sigma.

    Prefer the 50 - 500.

    I also swear at Nikon.

    Orms Direct als sells used gear: http://www.ormsdirect.co.za/

    Also online.

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    I am planning on replacing my kit in the next few weeks and have been reading / researching for months.

    My recommendation given your budget:

    Canon EOS 7D DSLR with EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens
    + Canon EF 100-400mm L IS USM Lens
    or

    + Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 L IS USM Lens

    The only consideration would be that the kit lens is DX only thus IF you ever want to go full frame you will not be able to really use it...but then at the price it comes with the kit who cares...

    My Nikon recommendation would be :

    Nikon D7000 DSLR with 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S VR II Lens or the 28-300mm lens.

    (and the 50mm f1.4 for portraits and landscape / low light)

    Keep the change and then decide what else you want. The more lenses, the more changes, the more dust in your camera, the heavier, the more of a lug to carry it all etc...

    Go and read the Ken Rockwell reviews and articles - there are not really a bad cameras only bad photographers.

    If you want technical information : www.dpreview.com

    Then again - if you do not want to get to technical about the photo's, keep it light and simple: Nikon D5100 DSLR with 18-55mm VR + 55-300mm VR Lens Bundle @R10k

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    a friend is about sell his Nikon gear - purely because of lack of choise in the local market.

    He is switching to Canon as there are so many more options available in the local market for Canon products. (I am purely refering to availability, not making any comment on quality)


    both ORMS and Outdoorphoto are excellent trustworthy sources that will supply to your door.



    as for body choise - more and more 5D mkII bodies will be coming onto the 2nd hand market - as these owners upgrade to the mkIII .... most of these bodies are still in excellent shape. BUT now you are talking about a full frame body that will only take L lenses.

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    Eish ... and I thought buying a 4x4 vehicle was difficult. And looking at the price of lenses ... kitting out a 4x4 suddenly looks pretty affordable.

    But on the up side, it looks as if the second-hand value of cameras are better thant those of 4x4s. Not much difference in new and second-hand prices.

    Thanks for all the responses - really appreciated.

    @ Chris. That is one of the reasons we are looking at the Canon - we have friends with Canons and can make a plan with lenses, etc. Makes life a bit easy. It is only our wives and cars that we keep to ourselves - oh, yes - and toothbrushes.

    Option 1:

    The second-hand Canon 50 D comes with the 15-85 lens. Shall I asume that R 7 500,00 is not a bad price for both? I can get a good Canon Makro lens (new) for about R 3 500,00 and a 150 - 500 Sigma lens for about R 12 000 (new).

    Option 2:

    New Canon D550 with 2 x lens kit + Makro lense and 150-500 Sigma zoom lens.

    The question is - is the pic quality between the 50 D and D550 that much different? I was also informed that people were generally not very happy with the 600D.
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    Rather go with the 50D.
    Also, my personal preference would be to go 50-500 if you go Sigma telephoto, instead of 170-500, the use of the 50-500 is MUCH more than.

    As far as I know the 15-85 is not a bad lens either, so that might be an option for your everyday lens, I think R7500 is a good price for that combo, the body is worth at least R6k.

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