Kan nie wag vir my beurt nie!!!

[Kanniewag]

Dit is my eerste boodskap op die forum , so 'please be gentle'!!

Ek wil soooo graag ‘n 4x4 hê!!!

My familie en vriende is nou al moeg om dit te hoor, en ek self kan nie meer wag nie. Ongelukkig kan die huidige finansies dit nie bekostig nie, maar ek is in die mark vir nuwe werk (hoop nie my baas lees die forum nie), die kinders is uit die doeke, en as als goed afloop kan ek binnekort die eerste een aanskaf.

Ek lees egter heeldag forums en ander motor web bladsye (hoop nie my baas lees die forum nie), koop elke week die Autotrader en ander publikasies, so as die finansies uitgesorteer is weet ek basies reeds wat ek wil koop. Maar ek het natuurlik hulp nodig!

Ek dink ek sal ’n voertuig in die omgewing van R200,000 kan bekostig, so ‘n tweedehandse kopie sal dit beslis moet wees. Sal relatiewe lae kilos moet hê (onder 80,000), en natuurlik bekostigbare instandhouding kostes.

Die opsies wat ek op die oomblik oorweeg: (En jammer as ek enige persoon te na kom wat fanaties oor ’n spesifieke produk is)

• Toyota Hilux (pre 2005)

A: Hilux DC 3.0 KZTE
Eerste prys vir my, maar enigste probleem is dat in die tydperk wat ek ernstig na een soek, daar geen een beskikbaar is met minder as 100,000 km, wat nog 80,000km.
B: Hilux DC 2700i Petrol
Daar is heelwat van hulle beskikbaar, maar ek is bang vir die petrolverbruik. Ek moet die voertuig daagliks in Jhb verkeer gebruik werk toe en terug.

• Toyota Hilux (post 2005)

A: Hilux 2.5 D-4D
Daar is van hulle wat nou 2ehands onder R200,000 beskikbaar word, met lae kilos. Hoe sterk is die enjin, en hoe goed is die veldry vermoë?
B: Hilix 2.7 Vvti
Nog nie baie onder R200,000 beskikbaar, maar daar is wel. Net soos in die vorige modelreeks is ek bang vir die petrolverbruik, maar ek verstaan daar is verbeterings aan die enjin aangebring.

• Isuzu KB 300 LX

Min van hulle met lae kilos in my prysklas, maar het baie respek vir die produk. By my vorige werk het ons net Isuzus gekoop (KB 250d en KB300) en daar was seker meer as 100 van hulle op die pad. Baie betroubaar. Enigste probleem is grondvryhoogte, maar as ek so lees lyk dit of dit maklik uitgesorteer kan word. (nie seker wat die koste daarvan is nie)

• Ford Ranger / Mazda Drifter 2.5 TD (Ou model)

Hierdie seker die beste kopie in die mark op die oomblik vir my. Het al 2005 modelle met minder as 50,000 km op vir onder R180,000 gesien. Die 2.5 enjin is nie die kragtigste nie, maar is betroubaar (as ek reg verstaan), en die brandstof verbruik is nogal goed. Ek is nie seker oor die veldryvermoë sonder modifikasies nie. Lyk of grondvryhoogte ook ’n probleem is. My broer het die Ranger met huidiglik 80,000km op, maar weet nie wat om na 100,000km te verwag nie.

• Ford Ranger (Nuwe model)

Ek hou baie van die nuwe model Ranger. Ek weet hulle is almal bo R200,000 maar daar is een model wat my interesseer. Volgend die pryslys is daar ’n Ranger 2.5TD D/C (met lugsakke, ABS) vir slegs R 239,000 beskikbaar. Dit maak dit seker die goedkoopste nuwe diesel D/C 4x4 bakkie op die mark (van die gevestigde vervaardigers). Dit kom standaard met ‘n 100,000km diensplan. As ek hom met ’n aanvaarbare 'residual' waarde koop, behoort hy egter bekostigbaar te wees.

• Nissan Hardbody

A: 3.0 TD
Baie modelle in my prysklas beskikbaar, maar wat ek lees is nie baie oortuigend as dit by betroubaarheid met kilos oor 100,000 kom nie. Ook onseker oor hulle veldryvermoë.
B: 2.4 petrol.
Seker die goedkoopste 2ehandsse 4x4 D/C op die mark, maar dit is ’n petrol model. Ken glad nie die betroubaarheid, brandstofverbruik of veldryvermoë nie.

Ek is te bang om hudiglik eers na Land Rovers te kyk, alhoewel ek graag in die toekoms een sal wil ry as die betroubaarheid uitgesorteer is. As hulle nuut met 'n 150,000km/5 jaar waarborg uitkom, sal ek een oorweeg.

Help my asb met my komende besluit!!!

[SimonB]

Any specific reason why you are excluding Mitsubishi?

[Musashi]

Ek kan ongelukkig nie kommentaar lewer oor al die voertuie nie maar ek het 'n Hilux 2.5 D-4D SRX 4x4 en is baie gelukkig. Die voertuig het nou so 30k km op die klok en het nog nie enige probleme gegee nie. So maand terug was ek in Botswana en moes 4 keer ander voertuie uitsleep maar het nooit self vasgeval nie.

Die ander groot voordeel is die brandstofverbruik. Ek gebruik die Hilux om elke dag 25 km werk toe en 25km terug te ry en my brandstofverbruik is so 8l/100km = 12.5km/l. Ek kry amper 1000 km op die 80 liter tenk.

Dienste tot op 100k kmi s ook ingesluit by die motorplan. 'n Goeie kopie as jy een kan kry.

[4xhilux]

Don't discard the 2.5TD Ford/Mazda too quickly. We've got one at work and it goes very well. Ground clearence is not too bad for everyday in the field use and it pulls quite well. If you can get one for the price & kilos you mention I would definately consider it.

Don't know how many k's our company vehicle has on now but must be around 80 or 100 000. No problems and keep in mind it's a company vehicle.

How far do you drive to work & back? If not too far you might want to have a re-look at the Toyota 2.7's. Those engines are absolute jewels. I used to commute Pta to Jhb everyday with mine and I loved it. In fact, almost 2 years later I still miss it...

[Kanniewag]

Thanks to the people that replied.

I am new to the forum, so can anybody tell me what all the deleted messages mean in the thread?

I didn't really consider the Colt as I read that they have mechanical problems when the mileages gets higher. As I am buying 2ndhand, and don't know how they have been driven, I don't want to take chances. I actually like the bodyshape, and think it was quite ahead of its time when it came to design.

The 2.5 D4D Hilux certainly seems like a good option. I saw another one for under R200,000 in the Autotrader this week. I also read in the Toyota thread very varourable things about the vehicle.

I am watching the performance of my brothers Ranger 2.5 closely. He is almost on 100,000km and hasn't had any problems yet. He recently went to Lesotho on a work related trip, and was amazed by the standard vehicles offroad ability.

Have a nice weekend

PS: I have paid my deposit this week for a trip to Coconut Bay in Moz next year March. This gives me a clear deadline to work towards. I am sure my wife's Scenic and Venter trailer won't make the trip!

[SimonB]

Kanniewag

Regarding the Colt, what you have heard is most likely about the older model TDIs (pre 2003). In your price bracket, you won't be getting any of these... Anyway, all manufacturers produce lemons.. and I think the Colt's reputation is largely unfounded.

You could also look at a 3.0lV6 DC Colt, and you should get LOTS of good buys under 200k. Pretty bulletproof and a few members here who have them.

Do you HAVE to go for a DC? :

Good luck with your choice...

PS, the deleted messages were offtopic - people knocking my questions regarding why you have not considered a Mitsu...

[Kanniewag]

SimonB

Isn't the fuel consumption on the 3.0V6 Colt quite high compared to the 2.8 diesel?

I have to look at a DC, as I still have 2 small boys (3.5 and 5 years). If I choose a SUV type vehicle, there wont be enough space for all the camping gear, and I don't want to spend on getting an offroad trailer now. One thing at a time!

I also dont wat to consider a Clubcab. Even though the boys are still small, the space behind the seats is a bit cramped.

I also think a DC is more versatile for everyday use. Good enough to take the rubbish to the dump on Saturdays, but still good enough to go to church with on Sunday.

After years of camping I am able to fit all my camping gear, which includes a canvas dome tent with extention, into my venter trailer. I am lucky to have a wife that packs only the bare necessities. I am sure a DC will be big enough for my purposes. I don't even want to consider a rooftop tent to save space, as I think it will be quite a mission with the boys up and down the ladder, especially at night when nature calls!

[SimonB]

Isn't the fuel consumption on the 3.0V6 Colt quite high compared to the 2.8 diesel?

Well yes, it IS a petrol. But I don't want you to be misled by some of the things being said about the 2.8 (do your homework and a decent used diesel will serve you well). If it still scares you then the V6 is your only other choice in a Colt.

I also dont wat to consider a Clubcab. Even though the boys are still small, the space behind the seats is a bit cramped.

hehe - I know, why do you think I got a Pajero? You mean I REALLY can't convince you t buy my Colt?

I also think a DC is more versatile for everyday use. Good enough to take the rubbish to the dump on Saturdays, but still good enough to go to church with on Sunday.

I hear you!! I'll miss the bakkie for the garden rubbish, wet dogs etc Remember a properly packed SUV can cater for camping just as well as a bakkie. In fact, we camped for years from the back of a Scenic!! And we now have very little different from those days (except for the fridge).

There are no cr@p choices in your original list.. they're all excellent vehicles so it's a matter of what works for you!

[Ashley]

Hi Kanniewag

I am biased to Fords obviously as I drive one But there is nothing wrong with their ground clearance in fact is one of the highest at 229mm for a double cab. Also I have done a lot of trails with the Ford and we have never struggled more than any other DC.

What you should also remember is that the Ford comes stock standard with rear bumper, nudge bar, roll bar and rock sliders not very many others do. On a Toyota you have to pay for all of above , I know because I ordered a Toyota and after being messed around for 3 months I went for the Ford and never looked back. 6 months after I had my Ford the Toyota salesman called me and said my Toyota Bakkie had arrived and if I was still interested ?

Anyhow like everybody else said its your choice, I know what I would buy!!

[Stefan]

Hi Kanniewag,

I have to agree with Ashley, and obviously I'm biased too. I bought a double cab for exactly the reasons you mention (it is our primary vehicle and it has to work over wekend to earn its keep) and the 4x4 was an added bonus. The 2.5 is an awesome engine and will serve you very well if you look after it (i.e. service/oilchange at regular intervals and drive it like a diesel)

There is no problem with standard ground clearance.

PS. If I were you I'd go for the new 2.5 (because of the safety features, ABS, Airbags etc., the service plan and low kms)

PPS. The 3.0TDCi is AWESOME!